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First, I am not offended by the questioning...no worries there. Yes, it probably is because of my riding style. I never hung off much, I just shift a little bit. Back when I raced hanging off was pretty new. I just do what works for me. I agree that with today's bikes and techniques it might be required to be competitive.

Well that may explain it....the new riding/racing style dictates a pretty far off the seat experience, and rider is typically held on with leverage between the knee and foot on the opposite side of the turn, as well as some leverage on the inside foot. You can imagine the problem with either foot slipping, especially the outside foot. That's why we complain :D
 
Well that may explain it....the new riding/racing style dictates a pretty far off the seat experience, and rider is typically held on with leverage between the knee and foot on the opposite side of the turn, as well as some leverage on the inside foot. You can imagine the problem with either foot slipping, especially the outside foot. That's why we complain :D

This is interesting to me...I find myself on tip toe on the outside peg pressing my knee hard into the tank..I do have short legs though..:p.. its my inside foot that's doing the pressing..so somehow our techniques are different... Maybe I am doing something wrong here...
 
This is interesting to me...I find myself on tip toe on the outside peg pressing my knee hard into the tank..I do have short legs though..:p.. its my inside foot that's doing the pressing..so somehow our techniques are different... Maybe I am doing something wrong here...

Hahaha, ok slightly different I suppose between you and me. You can get your leverage with just your knee, whereas I choose to use the pressure between my foot and knee.

Or maybe you just need higher footpegs? Haha! Could also depend on the bike and the tank-to-peg difference!
 
Well that may explain it....the new riding/racing style dictates a pretty far off the seat experience, and rider is typically held on with leverage between the knee and foot on the opposite side of the turn, as well as some leverage on the inside foot. You can imagine the problem with either foot slipping, especially the outside foot. That's why we complain :D

I agree and I understand. I tried to upload a picture of my back tire just in case any issues, but was on my iPad and couldn't get it to load earlier


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I ride with many guys who don't move on their bike either..they are quick and I don't second guess their technique... It looks very awkward to me though...Just leaning and not being active on the bike...Whatever works I guess...

A long time friend of mine, who also happens to own my Ducati/Honda dealer was one of the very top amateur road racers in the country for many years, and even qualified and raced in the Daytona 200 back in the day. He was fast for many years. He didn't hang off even a little bit - didn't even shift his weight as much as I did. But damn was he fast.

I rode his personal demo Panigale before buying mine. I put over 100 miles on it and when I got back I said "what kind of aftermarket pegs are on it" (I had read about people not liking the stock units). He said they were the stock pegs. He didn't have a problem with them either.
 
I agree with a lot of what you are saying. But the last sentence is why I have learned to not listen to everything I read on forums. I was ready to replace the pegs before I even bought the bike. I don't even notice any issues with them now. I do have the comfort seat, but in all honesty what I have found is that my weight is so spread over the pegs, handlebars and seat that I'm amazed that my butt never bothers me. And keep in mind that I have a BMW 1600GT that I have spent $1200 on two different seats for it (Sargent and Russell Day Long) and I have a Sargent seat on my Ninja 1000.

In fairness, I realize that everyone has a different tolerance and preference for those things.

Hey whatever works for you, great! As long as it is dry and you wear soft-soled shoes and keep you foot wedged in the heel depression they work a treat. For anything more aggressive I would prefer something with some grip because these pegs get downright dangerous in wet conditions. Yes, you must have bubblegum on the bottom of your boots and they should be OEM equipment because anything less and you are one slip away from experiencing some "bad luck". Plus there will be a whole forum ready to say, "We told you so". ;)

@Outhouse -- Assuming everyone already owns a Dremel they could practice sharpening their OEM pegs to save a few bucks, and they would look great so long as their feet are covering them!!! Otherwise they look like someone just sharpened them with a Dremel (just to save a buck??). It is borderline sacrilege to desecrate a new Ducati Superbike with Dremel marks. That is kind of like going up to one of Michelangelo's works and making a few corrections. "Yeah Michael, we just need some more chiseled off over here, pass me that hammer, I'll take care of it, myself". Function over form, I get it. Watch that you don't hurt yourself with the Dremel or on the newly hand sharpened pegs.

@Ducati, cough up some new OEM pegs. Signed concerned consumer.

Lastly, that piece of hard plastic with cardboard for padding that they call a seat is perfect for three things. 1) For Sitting on the bike in the showroom and 2) for cleaning it after the customer soils themselves from the experience and/or after hearing the price. 3) As a spare, when your replacement seat bolt vibrates loose and the seat falls off and is promptly driven over by the only vehicle that is following you. :D

My $0.02
 
Hey whatever works for you, great! As long as it is dry and you wear soft-soled shoes and keep you foot wedged in the heel depression they work a treat. For anything more aggressive I would prefer something with some grip because these pegs get downright dangerous in wet conditions. Yes, you must have bubblegum on the bottom of your boots and they should be OEM equipment because anything less and you are one slip away from experiencing some "bad luck". Plus there will be a whole forum ready to say, "We told you so". ;)

@Outhouse -- Assuming everyone already owns a Dremel they could practice sharpening their OEM pegs to save a few bucks, and they would look great so long as their feet are covering them!!! Otherwise they look like someone just sharpened them with a Dremel (just to save a buck??). It is borderline sacrilege to desecrate a new Ducati Superbike with Dremel marks. That is kind of like going up to one of Michelangelo's works and making a few corrections. "Yeah Michael, we just need some more chiseled off over here, pass me that hammer, I'll take care of it, myself". Function over form, I get it. Watch that you don't hurt yourself with the Dremel or on the newly hand sharpened pegs.

@Ducati, cough up some new OEM pegs. Signed concerned consumer.

Lastly, that piece of hard plastic with cardboard for padding that they call a seat is perfect for three things. 1) For Sitting on the bike in the showroom and 2) for cleaning it after the customer soils themselves from the experience and/or after hearing the price. 3) As a spare, when your replacement seat bolt vibrates loose and the seat falls off and is promptly driven over by the only vehicle that is following you. :D

My $0.02

I've already ridden the bike in the rain. But I appreciate the riding tips ;)
 
@Outhouse -- Assuming everyone already owns a Dremel they could practice sharpening their OEM pegs to save a few bucks, and they would look great so long as their feet are covering them!!! Otherwise they look like someone just sharpened them with a Dremel (just to save a buck??). It is borderline sacrilege to desecrate a new Ducati Superbike with Dremel marks. That is kind of like going up to one of Michelangelo's works and making a few corrections. "Yeah Michael, we just need some more chiseled off over here, pass me that hammer, I'll take care of it, myself". Function over form, I get it. Watch that you don't hurt yourself with the Dremel or on the newly hand sharpened pegs.

I was porting and polishing since I was 15, I bet I can make them functional and retain class ans style in a very short time while not keeping them so sharp they become dangerous in a wreck.

Ill post pics when im done.
 
I have owned both a 2013 S1000RR and a 2012 1199 S and I wish that the 1199 S was as bullet-proof of a bike as the BMW. No need to go on about the 1199's issues or how great the BMW is, all I'm saying is that the BMW never once gave me an issue or a reason to ask a question on a forum (concerning a problem that I was having with my bike).
 
I have owned both a 2013 S1000RR and a 2012 1199 S and I wish that the 1199 S was as bullet-proof of a bike as the BMW. No need to go on about the 1199's issues or how great the BMW is, all I'm saying is that the BMW never once gave me an issue or a reason to ask a question on a forum (concerning a problem that I was having with my bike).

As has been noted earlier in this thread, it does not appear the BMW is any more impervious to issues than the Panigale. Both seem to have their fair share of reported issues from members of their respective ownership communities.
 
As has been noted earlier in this thread, it does not appear the BMW is any more impervious to issues than the Panigale. Both seem to have their fair share of reported issues from members of their respective ownership communities.

I live pretty much 10 minutes from the BMW/Ducati dealer in Metuchen, NJ. I am always there (at least once or twice a week for whatever reason) and I can tell you that after speaking with other riders of both bikes, the BMW riders aren't as angry of a group of people as the Duc riders are (with their bikes).

I ride and I ride a lot. I am also not the standard-bearer for either brand of motorcycle, all I'm saying is that I have first hand experience with both products and I found that the BMW is an all around better product. So there you have it, nothing more and nothing less.
 

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I live pretty much 10 minutes from the BMW/Ducati dealer in Metuchen, NJ. I am always there (at least once or twice a week for whatever reason) and I can tell you that after speaking with other riders of both bikes, the BMW riders aren't as angry of a group of people as the Duc riders are (with their bikes).

I ride and I ride a lot. I am also not the standard-bearer for either brand of motorcycle, all I'm saying is that I have first hand experience with both products and I found that the BMW is an all around better product. So there you have it, nothing more and nothing less.

Your contribution is certainly valuable as there aren’t many who own both bikes. That being said, I don’t doubt the legitimacy of your claim as it applies to you, but I do want to note that there is substantial evidence from both ownership communities to suggest both bikes experience issues at a similar rate.

Owning both is great for the purpose of drawing performance comparisons, but to draw a conclusion of which bike is better based on frequency of maintenance or mechanical issues, you would really need to test a fleet of both bikes against specific variables in a controlled environment - and even then the conclusion could only be made with a percentage of certainty. Since we don’t have the means to do this, all we can really do is observe both ownership communities to get an idea. As they currently stand, there does not appear to be a significant difference between the two bikes in this regard.
 
I've already ridden the bike in the rain. But I appreciate the riding tips ;)

You ride in Houston Texas? Where it rains like one day a year? :D;)

I live in a temperate rain forest located in the Pacific Northwest. Wet pegs are more than a minor inconvenience here.

I am probably grasping here but has anyone noticed what almost all after market pegs have that our stock pegs don't? (Ps its a trick question).
 
You ride in Houston Texas? Where it rains like one day a year? :D;)

I live in a temperate rain forest located in the Pacific Northwest. Wet pegs are more than a minor inconvenience here.

I am probably grasping here but has anyone noticed what almost all after market pegs have that our stock pegs don't? (Ps its a trick question).

Actually Houston is feast or famine. But almost every day in the summer there is a 20% chance of rain due to the humidity off the gulf and the heat. Average rainfall is about 48" a year. The past few months we have been in a pattern of rain on weekends. And if I think can get 75% of a ride in on dry roads I ride. I'd guess in the past two months I have been caught in some rain probably five times.

My normal Panigale ride is Sunday morning early (I ride all day Saturday with a friend usually on one of my other bikes). I leave the house at about 7:00 Sunday and my wife gives me .... if there is 20% chance or higher of rain - she knows if it's gonna rain anywhere I'm going to find it!

In fairness to my comments above, while I can honestly say the pegs have not bothered me, I do get that they can be slippery. My BMW dealer is a Rizoma dealer and I really like the parts guy. I may order a set from him next time I'm in there.

Thanks for the nice post and giving me a little .... - I think it's good to have some good natured fun to make up for the times that are too serious! :D
 
Actually Houston is feast or famine. But almost every day in the summer there is a 20% chance of rain due to the humidity off the gulf and the heat. Average rainfall is about 48" a year. The past few months we have been in a pattern of rain on weekends. And if I think can get 75% of a ride in on dry roads I ride. I'd guess in the past two months I have been caught in some rain probably five times.

My normal Panigale ride is Sunday morning early (I ride all day Saturday with a friend usually on one of my other bikes). I leave the house at about 7:00 Sunday and my wife gives me .... if there is 20% chance or higher of rain - she knows if it's gonna rain anywhere I'm going to find it!

In fairness to my comments above, while I can honestly say the pegs have not bothered me, I do get that they can be slippery. My BMW dealer is a Rizoma dealer and I really like the parts guy. I may order a set from him next time I'm in there.

Thanks for the nice post and giving me a little .... - I think it's good to have some good natured fun to make up for the times that are too serious! :D

Nice post.... Thank you Jim...
 
You ride in Houston Texas? Where it rains like one day a year? :D;)

I live in a temperate rain forest located in the Pacific Northwest. Wet pegs are more than a minor inconvenience here.

I am probably grasping here but has anyone noticed what almost all after market pegs have that our stock pegs don't? (Ps its a trick question).

Actually Houston is feast or famine. But almost every day in the summer there is a 20% chance of rain due to the humidity off the gulf and the heat. Average rainfall is about 48" a year. The past few months we have been in a pattern of rain on weekends. And if I think can get 75% of a ride in on dry roads I ride. I'd guess in the past two months I have been caught in some rain probably five times.

My normal Panigale ride is Sunday morning early (I ride all day Saturday with a friend usually on one of my other bikes). I leave the house at about 7:00 Sunday and my wife gives me .... if there is 20% chance or higher of rain - she knows if it's gonna rain anywhere I'm going to find it!

In fairness to my comments above, while I can honestly say the pegs have not bothered me, I do get that they can be slippery. My BMW dealer is a Rizoma dealer and I really like the parts guy. I may order a set from him next time I'm in there.

Thanks for the nice post and giving me a little .... - I think it's good to have some good natured fun to make up for the times that are too serious! :D

Someone needs a lesson on Texas.....lol.
Climate of Texas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
60 inches of rain in the East where Houston is....48 inches for San Antonio/Austin area.


Vancouver
Climate of Vancouver - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
44 inches of rain....hot damn it rains more in houston than it does in vancouver.

so much for sterotypes. no wonder my pistol never shoots right. my horse is stuck in the mud and my 10 gallon hat is full.
 
Someone needs a lesson on Texas.....lol.
Climate of Texas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
60 inches of rain in the East where Houston is....48 inches for San Antonio/Austin area.


Vancouver
Climate of Vancouver - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
44 inches of rain....hot damn it rains more in houston than it does in vancouver.

so much for sterotypes. no wonder my pistol never shoots right. my horse is stuck in the mud and my 10 gallon hat is full.

The following shows 50 for Houston. One thing you need to know about Houston is that the weather varies a fair amount just from the north suburbs to the south suburbs due to the proximity to the Gulf.

BTW, a fun fact is that the greatest 24 hour rainfall record for anywhere in the U.S. is Alvin Texas. I live 20 minutes from Alvin and ride through there almost every weekend. Per my comment in a post above, if it's going to rain on me, it is usually right near Alvin.

Houston, Texas - Average Rainfall - Current, Historical Data
 
Someone needs a lesson on Texas.....lol.
Climate of Texas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
60 inches of rain in the East where Houston is....48 inches for San Antonio/Austin area.


Vancouver
Climate of Vancouver - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
44 inches of rain....hot damn it rains more in houston than it does in vancouver.

so much for sterotypes. no wonder my pistol never shoots right. my horse is stuck in the mud and my 10 gallon hat is full.



In North Vancouver, about 20 km away from the Vancouver airport, the amount of rain received doubles to 2477 mm per year as measured at the base of Grouse Mountain.

Climate of Vancouver - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Mark,
I'm in the same boat as you with the option to pick up an HP4 comp so I am waffling in my usual fashion back and forth between the two. Have you read anything about these warranty issues with the HP4?

NO WARRANTY for HP4 - Bimmerfest - BMW Forums

Just curious if this has been debunked or if there is a real issue with people having problems and not getting support from BMW. The 3 year warranty is much more attractive than Ducati's 2 year warranty, but not so much so if there may be a problem getting coverage.
 

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