Keep in mind that your MS calipers are 100mm. If you’re going to at some point upgrade the fork to something SBK spec that you’re now going to have 108mm spacing which means new calipers and potentially a mismatch with the master you choose for the current calipers. Messy. Best solution is you and I go shopping (dangerous) but super fun.
Inflation is out of control
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Read: Another $30k into this bike lol
And that’s before lunch LOL
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Nice choice Mr Bush. You are a well educated and polished individual. Actually this works out well. They usually have some car show going on in the parking lot. Stevens a car nut so he will be distracted by all the fine Italian and German machinery. He will have no idea how much of his money I spent on bike parts.
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If you cant afford to fix it after you send it on a trip into the gravel, you probably shouldnt buy one. xx99s are great because theres lots of parts, aftermarket, new and secondhand. The SL not so much
The most upgradable part on a bike is the rider, put any GP rider on a 600 and me on the SL and I can predict with 100% certainty who is going to go around in circles faster. What you lot are missing is the feeling and joy of ownership, its not about a GP bike for the street although all the SL reviews are the same- its outrageously good and probably the best ever superbike built.
Endo you are focused on the wrong things, its not about having the ultimate Gucci components, it's about utility. There is a reason why GP bikes cost millions, you simply cannot expect to have that level of engineering at Camry prices, and the SL is exactly that in comparison. Yet for all the negative comments about what the bikes "should be" they still lap within seconds of a GP bike and their performance potential is still well beyond what most amateur riders can extract.
Doesnt matter f the SL is a lounge or office foyer decoration, or if you think its a display of engineering prowess or not, Ducati made it as their ultimate road going sports bike like the Desmosedici the only thing close is the Honda RC213V-S (IMHO its a better bike on virtually every level but dated now) but have you checked the prices , a new uncrated one just sold for $223,000.
The most upgradable part on a bike is the rider, put any GP rider on a 600 and me on the SL and I can predict with 100% certainty who is going to go around in circles faster. What you lot are missing is the feeling and joy of ownership, its not about a GP bike for the street although all the SL reviews are the same- its outrageously good and probably the best ever superbike built.
Endo you are focused on the wrong things, its not about having the ultimate Gucci components, it's about utility. There is a reason why GP bikes cost millions, you simply cannot expect to have that level of engineering at Camry prices, and the SL is exactly that in comparison. Yet for all the negative comments about what the bikes "should be" they still lap within seconds of a GP bike and their performance potential is still well beyond what most amateur riders can extract.
Doesnt matter f the SL is a lounge or office foyer decoration, or if you think its a display of engineering prowess or not, Ducati made it as their ultimate road going sports bike like the Desmosedici the only thing close is the Honda RC213V-S (IMHO its a better bike on virtually every level but dated now) but have you checked the prices , a new uncrated one just sold for $223,000.
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Endo with respect, try to keep this out of the personal realm, its beneath you.
Andy is saying that a base V4 with aftermarket bling is better than an SL- yeah right... I am pointing out that you get what you pay for, but a $30 part that does the job of a $100 one is just good business on Ducatis part and gets a bike to the market at a price you can afford since I can't even see you coughing up 250k plus for a scooter that you approaches your idea of perfection and neither can Ducati. As for inflation, everyone has an opinion but even economists cant reach consensus on the real causes or how to control it.
Andy is saying that a base V4 with aftermarket bling is better than an SL- yeah right... I am pointing out that you get what you pay for, but a $30 part that does the job of a $100 one is just good business on Ducatis part and gets a bike to the market at a price you can afford since I can't even see you coughing up 250k plus for a scooter that you approaches your idea of perfection and neither can Ducati. As for inflation, everyone has an opinion but even economists cant reach consensus on the real causes or how to control it.
Well lets see what others have to say and by others I'm talking about, Craig, Rick, Steve, Mr Wayne, Karl etc. You know, guys that have actually built high end stuff. I may be wrong Paul but I don't believe you have actually built a top shelf bike from the ground up or have had the opportunity to ride or race with very high quality (expensive parts) so I can only assume you are speaking from assumption. If i am wrong, then accept my apology and fill us in on your expertise. For individuals who are familiar with quality parts, there most assuredly is a difference between the OEM crap and the good stuff.
So my take is, Andy is not wrong. Give me 100K and I will easily build a more track capable bike than the SL and certainly more reliable. I would start with V4R motor and frame and go from there. I will end up with better brakes, better controls, better suspension, better electronics, much better electrical system, the right swing arm, carbon tank, etc I guarantee it. 5 years ago I got .... for saying this, fortunately today, there are a lot of guys doing that very thing. Can't fight the fan boys. The SL is a nice bike but its a R with some dramatically overpriced sprinkles that are easily surpassed with less money. Lets see what the guys who actually walk the talk say.
As far as the brand goes, I have zero problem with money. If the "brand" would have built and sold what I wanted, or what Craig wanted, or what Steven wanted, or what Karl wanted, or what Mr Wayne or Rick wanted then we would have plucked down the money and we wouldn't have had to build the bikes ourselves. Ducati didnt build anything I would have bought off the show room floor, not even close. To me, they build mediocre motorbikes across the board so I take what I need from the brand and do the rest myself. The bike i just finished has very few parts from an OEM production bike. Engine cases, swingarm frame mounts, bare heads (head components are not OEM) (gearbox is not Duc) and i think that's it. Every other part is aftermarket, Corse or something I made.
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man I’m actually considering selling the Porsche and making room for a bike hauler lol
this track stuff is addictive
but then I go drive the Porsche and I’m like yeah no
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There's a lot of knowledge getting dumped here. Even if you don't agree with guy like Steven31371 and Endodoc, one can appreciate their opinion is based on more information than most have access to. I don't know .... about business, but am always looking to learn more. I hate reading fiction. I'd rather go through a service manual then waste time on .... that never happened or exists.
I especially like...
All Ponzi schemes fall given a long enough timeline.
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For the MS I started with 19x18 XA7G7G0 - really good but really stiff // this season I switched to 17x18 XA7G7D0 - I really prefer this better modulation + feel
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Proper Sprinter or transit - then go stay at a hotel. But Paul Newman watch guy might have a Newmar or whatever the lux RV brands are. Having just been to Mugello and seeing the riders RVs - its pretty crazy. Vale was there and had a very nice on BUT Fabio had the best one. Also big credit to Fabio, he had the only one that if you saw it dv=riving done the road you wouldn't know who's it is. Everyone else's was bad paint logo driven scheme. **Valentinos was cool looking tho like the 2021 Soleluna helmet
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I'll give Fabio props on that. Despite riding a red sport bike I see the immense value in hiding in plain sight.
I'm looking at van options. It seem like the best choice.
I'm looking at van options. It seem like the best choice.
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I found this app where you can rent a cargo van for the day, decent vans, $150 bucks a day, fits two bikes and all the gear and spare parts you need.
I think I’m going to get a crew/cargo van though, there are some 170 inch vans with 3 back seats and still enough room for the two bikes.
I think I’m going to get a crew/cargo van though, there are some 170 inch vans with 3 back seats and still enough room for the two bikes.
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Haha, you understand that the Western economy is a 'Ponzi'/pyramid scheme? Since the gold standard was dropped by every Western economy, how many economic collapses have we seen?
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I guess a lot depends on your situation. Storage of large vehicles is expensive in the UK, and they can be awkward to manoeuvre down narrow streets or roads. Sprinter/Crafter conversion vans are very popular, and there's a price that suits everyone (20k-100k). After that, you'd usually look at a 7.5t truck, and the pro teams have articulated trucks and RVs. Although, lots of teams will also just rent an RV for a rider for a race weekend, which will be delivered to the track.
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D'you know, in Japan they sell the Fireblade with a kit loom and race ecu, at dealerships. A friend bought one and shipped it here, cost him the same as the SP road bike. It would very much suit me if Ducati did the same!
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+1 I got one of their windshields with some other parts. The shipment went out same day and was at my house in 2 days. (Turns out they're an hour away from me haha.)
They're an official supplier for SBK.
M. Pirro's bike wheeling out yesterday at Mugello for the CIV, Italian National Championship. (Spoiler alert) Pirro won SBK yesterday in close race.
They're an official supplier for SBK.
M. Pirro's bike wheeling out yesterday at Mugello for the CIV, Italian National Championship. (Spoiler alert) Pirro won SBK yesterday in close race.
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Adding some visuals to other's comments. There is no top end to this. There's a heli-pad a 5 min. walk from the Paddocks at Mugello and 5 min after MotoGP 2 helicopters left.
For the flightless-birds, there are the "Race Service" rentals to augment personal vehicles. For example Michele Pirro is a Ducati employee who's well taken care of, but he's not MotoGP level of traveling. His trailer, semi-trailer size, is about half bike handling, half personal. Other rented trucks (see image, truck to the right) came with tires and hardware+service that took care of his leathers and whatever his team needed.
Salvadori is moving up the ranks these days but let's say, a tier lower. Had is semi trailer all-in-one. These are pretty basic home-on-wheels + garage trailers.
Then there's this level of party palace on wheels. You can buy or rent this type of thing. I'm getting fairly impressed with the modularization of what can fit in one lane & under a highway overpass.
This one pops up and out both sides, has a balcony and all the architecture for basic debauchery. Easy-ups for personal pit or interfacing with the public or not.
Black-on-black is very in this year however much heat blast you feel walking past one of these.
The Sprinter Vans if you ask me, are some of the best ways to get around in Europe. You can get one down almost any street. Anything bigger and you can forget getting anywhere near a city center that's not Milan or Berlin or whatever. If you want to get over mountains and into more interesting place eg. Florence or more obscure places, Sprinter Van.
I'm also getting really impressed by the creativity I'm seeing in vans these days. Bike+lifestyle in a nimble container.
For the flightless-birds, there are the "Race Service" rentals to augment personal vehicles. For example Michele Pirro is a Ducati employee who's well taken care of, but he's not MotoGP level of traveling. His trailer, semi-trailer size, is about half bike handling, half personal. Other rented trucks (see image, truck to the right) came with tires and hardware+service that took care of his leathers and whatever his team needed.
Salvadori is moving up the ranks these days but let's say, a tier lower. Had is semi trailer all-in-one. These are pretty basic home-on-wheels + garage trailers.
Then there's this level of party palace on wheels. You can buy or rent this type of thing. I'm getting fairly impressed with the modularization of what can fit in one lane & under a highway overpass.
This one pops up and out both sides, has a balcony and all the architecture for basic debauchery. Easy-ups for personal pit or interfacing with the public or not.
Black-on-black is very in this year however much heat blast you feel walking past one of these.
The Sprinter Vans if you ask me, are some of the best ways to get around in Europe. You can get one down almost any street. Anything bigger and you can forget getting anywhere near a city center that's not Milan or Berlin or whatever. If you want to get over mountains and into more interesting place eg. Florence or more obscure places, Sprinter Van.
I'm also getting really impressed by the creativity I'm seeing in vans these days. Bike+lifestyle in a nimble container.
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