July 2013 Cycle World - BMWHP4 vs 1199R

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vik said:
if bmw drop the stupid pirate look, maybe then i maybe willing to test ride it! :D

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That does make it look much better.:cool:
 
vik said:
if bmw drop the stupid pirate look, maybe then i maybe willing to test ride it! :D

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I still dont love it but that looks a hell of a lot better than what they look like now. i dont understand how bmw is not conpletely ashamed of that design. Beauty in the eye of the beholder my ass , the attraction is to what it can do not how it looks. Its the young blonde with the rich man effect, or maybe young woman really do find old men more attractive. I hate the s1000 because I so badly wanted to like it.
 
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Do the haters here understand that BMW went from zero to over 20% of the liter sport bike market in 2 years, and keep on taking market share from everyone and winning just about every head-to-head review of the class?

I briefly considered the S1000RR, and I love my Panigale with no regrets whatsoever, but sheesh, such hate just because of its looks?

You must be the design freaks that buy Dyson vacuums/fans and Bang & Olufsen audio at ridiculous premiums over competitive products because they look so great and likely because a hint of snobbery as well.
 
Both are awesome bikes....sold my S1000RR in Motorrad colors for my Pani...:D

But if I had the extra cash...I would have kept my Sthou and bought the Pani just the same. So I can have the best inline 4 and best Vtwin sportbikes in my garage. :D

Darn! Wife didnt allow it!!! :mad: So had to sell the Sthou :( to get the Duke.
 
JeffD said:
Do the haters here understand that BMW went from zero to over 20% of the liter sport bike market in 2 years, and keep on taking market share from everyone and winning just about every head-to-head review of the class?

I briefly considered the S1000RR, and I love my Panigale with no regrets whatsoever, but sheesh, such hate just because of its looks?

You must be the design freaks that buy Dyson vacuums/fans and Bang & Olufsen audio at ridiculous premiums over competitive products because they look so great and likely because a hint of snobbery as well.
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I have a dyson lol

I don't hate the BMW but I do find it dorky looking. I also think its VERY over rated in the sense that people think they will be faster on it than a properly set up panigale or rsv4 etc. in my experience at our level the bikes don't make that much difference, it's mostly the rider. Get what you like and ride.
 
Now get rid of the cat and the exhaust pipe.....maybe something similar to the Pani and the bike's score in appearance would go way up:D
 
Ummmm...S1000RR do have "painted" swingarms available, do your research. I personally enjoyed the brushed aluminum look, it resembled the GP look. On the other hand, why bother stating anything? If one doesn't like the bike bad enough then he/she will find an excuse to brush it aside. So cling on to the headlights and texture of the swingarms, gents. Cheers.
 
get a reliable tool watch and be manly. low budget get something like luminox. Have money to burn, the rolex's look luxury but are tool watches too, models like the sub and dweller or explorer. Many to choose from but no diamonds, please.

.. oh wait , wrong forum :(
 
gnance said:
Plus it's hardly the most reliable engine in the liter class bunch.
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I guess I fall into the category that actually likes the asymmetry and understands it as the design language consistent with previous BMW bikes.

Anyway, I didn't know the engines were considered unreliable. One reason I didn't buy one was because so many of my friends do own them. I only had one friend out of 5 who had his bike at the BMW dealership about 5 times for service issues in the first two years of ownership. They were all resolved to his satisfaction and he now has over 35,000 miles on the bike.

So what are the common issues? I don't keep up on the BMW forum or other news trends.

I thought the Gen 4 ZX-10Rs were known as the least reliable liter sport bike motor.
 
JeffD said:
I guess I fall into the category that actually likes the asymmetry and understands it as the design language consistent with previous BMW bikes.

Anyway, I didn't know the engines were considered unreliable. One reason I didn't buy one was because so many of my friends do own them. I only had one friend out of 5 who had his bike at the BMW dealership about 5 times for service issues in the first two years of ownership. They were all resolved to his satisfaction and he now has over 35,000 miles on the bike.

So what are the common issues? I don't keep up on the BMW forum or other news trends.

I thought the Gen 4 ZX-10Rs were known as the least reliable liter sport bike motor.
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I should say that every manufacturer are going to have some bikes roll off the assembly line with issues. And the majority of bikes are fine from anyone.

However...it seems to me at least (and I'm no expert, but I have seen other more qualified opinions on the matter that agree) that the s1000rr has some design flaws with the lubrication system that can cause premature wear inside the engine.

I still feel the s1000rr engine is more fragile than any other. I mean....they released it in 2010 and they start blowing engines. So then they implement a MANDATORY break in rev limiter. Can someone tell me why NONE of the other manufacturers produce and engine that requires a mandatory enforced rev limiter? I know our little instruction manuals give reccomendations....but they don't force you to.

I know when I had my s1000rr, when I would change the oil I would see huge ass pieces of metal on my oil drain plug magnet. Not the typical shavings I have seen from every other bike I have owned. But, huge pieces.

The S1000rr is a blast to ride, albeit a little boring compared to the pani, and overall it's a cool bike. If they would sort a few things like the headlights, the lubrication system, and the crappy gear box I would love to have another.

And as far as the Gen 4 kawi....they had a couple of recalls, but overall that engine seems to be pretty bulletproof. I have had zero issues with mine whatsoever. And no big ass metal shavings during oil changes!

And FWIW if anyone is looking for an awesome bike and by far the best bang for the buck the gen 4 zx10r is the ..... Far better all around bike than the beemer IMO. Not quite the character of the panigale, but a great machine.
 

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jjsC6 said:
Can't help myself, the color of the swingarm would sway your decision???
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Yes, I'll buy ANY bike with a black swingarm. ;)


But yeah... when it comes to aesthetics, there are two things that really bother me about the BMW: The asymmetric headlights and the polished swingarm. Its a personal preference to have the swingarm match the color of the frame. I can live with the headlights but every time I walk up to the bike, that polished swingarm would get annoying.

And yes, visual appearance matters for me. A lot. :p
 
IMHO, I hate to admit it, but I feel the S1000RR is a better bike OVERALL compared to the 1199. But it's another Japanese clone. Boring and ordinary if you aren't redlining.
 
Geez if reliability is your highest priority when buying a bike, get a CBR. They essentially invented the term bulletproof. In so far as reliability goes I've never had a single cause to worry about my s1ks. Even with the 2012 engine recall. That was a manufacturing defect. Not a design flaw. Chit happens and despite the moaning BMW handled it pretty quickly. But feel free to explain black brake / clutch fluid.

gnance said:
I should say that every manufacturer are going to have some bikes roll off the assembly line with issue the majority of bikes are fine from anyone.

However...it seems to me at least (and I'm no expert, but I have seen other more qualified opinions on the matter that agree) that the s1000rr has some design flaws with the lubrication system that can cause premature wear inside the engine.

I still feel the s1000rr engine is more fragile than any other. I mean....they released it in 2010 and they start blowing engines. So then they implement a MANDATORY break in rev limiter. Can someone tell me why NONE of the other manufacturers produce and engine that requires a mandatory enforced rev limiter? I know our little instruction manuals give reccomendations....but they don't force you to.

I know when I had my s1000rr, when I would change the oil I would see huge ass pieces of metal on my oil drain plug magnet. Not the typical shavings I have seen from every other bike I have owned. But, huge pieces.

The S1000rr is a blast to ride, albeit a little boring compared to the pani, and overall it's a cool bike. If they would sort a few things like the headlights, the lubrication system, and the crappy gear box I would love to have another.

And as far as the Gen 4 kawi....they had a couple of recalls, but overall that engine seems to be pretty bulletproof. I have had zero issues with mine whatsoever. And no big ass metal shavings during oil changes!

And FWIW if anyone is looking for an awesome bike and by far the best bang for the buck the gen 4 zx10r is the ..... Far better all around bike than the beemer IMO. Not quite the character of the panigale, but a great machine.
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I went to a sport bike day at a nearby dealer yesterday. They had a dyno competition going (I didn't know it was a competition as it was advertised as free dyno runs). I wasn't surprised by the results (177.04 HP 100% stock on a 90F day with 70% humidity). I was suprised that when I left my bike was comfortably holding 2nd place after a good 20 bikes in the class had run. Including a zx10 with full exhaust / ecu unleashed and a modded CBR 1000RR had run. 1st was another HP4 that ran just before mine @180HP. Also bone stock. Both our dyno sheets looked like they were drawn with a straight edge (cept where my rear started to skip on the dyno near top end)

Face it. When BMW entered the liter bike market it was like a kid getting drafted from his high school baseball team, going directly to a major league team and breaking the home run record during his 1st season. And instead of being satisfied with that, they keep pushing the bar forwar. First with DDC. And next year with cornering ABS to help prevent lowsides in turns. And ppl hate on it because of the headlights?

I don't think so. Haters hate cause they feel wronged in some way by what someone else has. The Panigale isn't the bike for me but I don't go around banging on it. When asked why didn't I buy one I usually reply "I don't like the color red" and leave it at that :)
 
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Kuroshio said:
Geez if reliability is your highest priority when buying a bike, get a CBR. They essentially invented the term bulletproof. In so far as reliability goes I've never had a single cause to worry about my s1ks. Even with the 2012 engine recall. That was a manufacturing defect. Not a design flaw. Chit happens and despite the moaning BMW handled it pretty quickly. But feel free to explain black brake / clutch fluid.



I went to a sport bike day at a nearby dealer yesterday. They had a dyno competition going (I didn't know it was a competition as it was advertised as free dyno runs). I wasn't surprised by the results (177.04 HP 100% stock on a 90F day with 70% humidity). I was suprised that when I left my bike was comfortably holding 2nd place after a good 20 bikes in the class had run. Including a zx10 with full exhaust / ecu unleashed and a modded CBR 1000RR had run. 1st was another HP4 that ran just before mine @180HP. Also bone stock. Both our dyno sheets looked like they were drawn with a straight edge (cept where my rear started to skip on the dyno near top end)

Face it. When BMW entered the liter bike market it was like a kid getting drafted from his high school baseball team, going directly to a major league team and breaking the home run record during his 1st season. And instead of being satisfied with that, they keep pushing the bar forwar. First with DDC. And next year with cornering ABS to help prevent lowsides in turns. And ppl hate on it because of the headlights?

I don't think so. Haters hate cause they feel wronged in some way by what someone else has. The Panigale isn't the bike for me but I don't go around banging on it. When asked why didn't I buy one I usually reply "I don't like the color red" and leave it at that :)
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Since when does 180hp even hold tenth place at a dyno competition lol.


People hate on it bc it's an ugly bike mate. Not hard to understand. Most riders like to be seen as well as enjoy the ride. IMO race fairings help the hp4 a lot but stock it's at the back of the pack looks wise and that's a valid complaint.

And don't get me started on nannies. If you need abs nannies you shouldn't be riding an hp4 to begin with.

Edit: the hp4 is marginally better than other bikes. People acting like its gods chariot need to wake up and go to the races.
 
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Kuroshio said:
Geez if reliability is your highest priority when buying a bike, get a CBR. They essentially invented the term bulletproof. In so far as reliability goes I've never had a single cause to worry about my s1ks. Even with the 2012 engine recall. That was a manufacturing defect. Not a design flaw. Chit happens and despite the moaning BMW handled it pretty quickly. But feel free to explain black brake / clutch fluid.



I went to a sport bike day at a nearby dealer yesterday. They had a dyno competition going (I didn't know it was a competition as it was advertised as free dyno runs). I wasn't surprised by the results (177.04 HP 100% stock on a 90F day with 70% humidity). I was suprised that when I left my bike was comfortably holding 2nd place after a good 20 bikes in the class had run. Including a zx10 with full exhaust / ecu unleashed and a modded CBR 1000RR had run. 1st was another HP4 that ran just before mine @180HP. Also bone stock. Both our dyno sheets looked like they were drawn with a straight edge (cept where my rear started to skip on the dyno near top end)

Face it. When BMW entered the liter bike market it was like a kid getting drafted from his high school baseball team, going directly to a major league team and breaking the home run record during his 1st season. And instead of being satisfied with that, they keep pushing the bar forwar. First with DDC. And next year with cornering ABS to help prevent lowsides in turns. And ppl hate on it because of the headlights?

I don't think so. Haters hate cause they feel wronged in some way by what someone else has. The Panigale isn't the bike for me but I don't go around banging on it. When asked why didn't I buy one I usually reply "I don't like the color red" and leave it at that :)
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Yea thats cool, I hate the f*cking Headlights. The styling as a whole is butt ugly. Its a damn good bike, but when I spend my money one something I want to be prod to own it. If I was going for a track bike it would be a R6, for my street bike I need more then a great motor ... I need passion lol. If the s1000 was a human it would be a ginger .... because it has no soul :D.
 
Kuroshio said:
Geez if reliability is your highest priority when buying a bike, get a CBR. They essentially invented the term bulletproof. In so far as reliability goes I've never had a single cause to worry about my s1ks. Even with the 2012 engine recall. That was a manufacturing defect. Not a design flaw. Chit happens and despite the moaning BMW handled it pretty quickly. But feel free to explain black brake / clutch fluid.



I went to a sport bike day at a nearby dealer yesterday. They had a dyno competition going (I didn't know it was a competition as it was advertised as free dyno runs). I wasn't surprised by the results (177.04 HP 100% stock on a 90F day with 70% humidity). I was suprised that when I left my bike was comfortably holding 2nd place after a good 20 bikes in the class had run. Including a zx10 with full exhaust / ecu unleashed and a modded CBR 1000RR had run. 1st was another HP4 that ran just before mine @180HP. Also bone stock. Both our dyno sheets looked like they were drawn with a straight edge (cept where my rear started to skip on the dyno near top end)

Face it. When BMW entered the liter bike market it was like a kid getting drafted from his high school baseball team, going directly to a major league team and breaking the home run record during his 1st season. And instead of being satisfied with that, they keep pushing the bar forwar. First with DDC. And next year with cornering ABS to help prevent lowsides in turns. And ppl hate on it because of the headlights?

I don't think so. Haters hate cause they feel wronged in some way by what someone else has. The Panigale isn't the bike for me but I don't go around banging on it. When asked why didn't I buy one I usually reply "I don't like the color red" and leave it at that :)
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Why are you here....did you buy a pani yet? For being so pro s1000rr you spend a lot of time over here.

And yes....the headlights are that bad

and a dyno "competition" really? seems silly to me. who cares who makes more hp? Seems like a dick measuring contest IMO.
 
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