Lean angle thread

[JDBeretta]

Is there any actual conversation on this topic in this thread?

Just had my first track day on the 1299s and hit 55 degrees, which is much more than I was expecting. Concerned now that I'm actually over too far. Any thoughts on what a max lean looks like with the stock pirellis?

I do not have the answer to that question, but I think 55deg is fine. I haven't hit that on the street, but there is someone in this thread that does on the regular.

 

[derblott]

I've always been paranoid about too much lean on my last bike, was hoping this lean angle indicator would comfort me "oh i'm sure i'm only over like 47 or whatever" but no...55.

There is a steep downhill left hander at my track, i'm wondering if that is skewing the lean. I only get to 52 on the right side. Curious what other track riders experience has been..

 

[Slowdive2]

Im so jealous.

This guys like "yeah baby 90 degree lean angle...very nice, I can't wait to get to the forum and post my #"

 

[bradp51]

I've always been paranoid about too much lean on my last bike, was hoping this lean angle indicator would comfort me "oh i'm sure i'm only over like 47 or whatever" but no...55.

There is a steep downhill left hander at my track, i'm wondering if that is skewing the lean. I only get to 52 on the right side. Curious what other track riders experience has been..

When you crash you will know you leaned over to far. Its Gods way of telling you not to go so fast.

Its been working that way with motorcycles since Adam had step thru.

 

[Chaotic]

Just had my first track day on the 1299s and hit 55 degrees, which is much more than I was expecting. Concerned now that I'm actually over too far. Any thoughts on what a max lean looks like with the stock pirellis?

I will try to stay on topic, relatively...

In using the LeanAngleometer as a tool, which i have to assume is the desired purpose...you have to ask yourself "did anyone pass me?".

If you were achieving a true 55deg of lean angle, and you weren't running a lap record pace, and/or if you were getting passed by other people, then yes...you were leaning too far. If people were passing you in the corners while you were at 55deg, then you likely need to work on your technique, body positioning, trail braking, picking up the gas, etc.

As previously stated, lean angle is the enemy. The goal is to get around the track as quickly as possible, with the least amount of lean angle. And it is possible to gain speed (lap time wise) and reduce lean angle (then that newfound lean angle can be used to go faster).

And BTW - I still doubt the 0's and 1's inside that software because 55deg is right at the limit of WSBK specs. I find it hard to believe that people are truly reaching that riding around on the street, on OEM tires. And if somebody is reaching a true 55deg, and NOT running a lap record pace, then some serious instruction is needed because they have absolutely no room to go faster.

 

[Chaotic]

The bike can also record lap times. Does anybody else find it sad that we have a thread dedicated to lean angle, but not one dedicated to lap times?

The sad part is that this thread is indicative of the way things have gotten over recent years. With the explosion of social media, too many people are more worried about getting "likes" than they are getting better/faster. There is no telling how many times i have seen guys trying to get their elbow down and posing for the photographers...while riding 10 seconds off anything resembling even a Novice race pace. But when i offer to help coach them, they are like "nah im good dude".

Often times the ultimate goal is to look fast, rather than to be fast. Guys will turn down instruction, then go out there and hang off the bike like monkeys hoping for that good picture, while i am passing them on the outside just shaking my head.

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[wilkson]

The bike can also record lap times. Does anybody else find it sad that we have a thread dedicated to lean angle, but not one dedicated to lap times?

The sad part is that this thread is indicative of the way things have gotten over recent years. With the explosion of social media, too many people are more worried about getting "likes" than they are getting better/faster. There is no telling how many times i have seen guys trying to get their elbow down and posing for the photographers...while riding 10 seconds off anything resembling even a Novice race pace. But when i offer to help coach them, they are like "nah im good dude".

Often times the ultimate goal is to look fast, rather than to be fast. Guys will turn down instruction, then go out there and hang off the bike like monkeys hoping for that good picture, while i am passing them on the outside just shaking my head.

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Problem with lap times they are truthful in ability and what these bikes are made for . I can read endless threads about which bikes has the best dyno results what my lean angle is best exhaust lightest wheels and on and on .
Truth is best money spent is on coaching and tyres biggest thrill is beating your PB at the track for me anyway .

 

[TurboLag]

The Panigale on Supercorsa SPs is capable of 58-59 degrees lean with a good rider. The Norwegian champion rides a 14R, and on slicks he pulls 60+ all day..

 

[RRnold]

I didn't know our bikes have lean angle data. For those who haven't ran 200/60's, I highly recommend. It makes our bike feel more proper.

 

[kismetcapitan]

The bike can also record lap times. Does anybody else find it sad that we have a thread dedicated to lean angle, but not one dedicated to lap times?

The sad part is that this thread is indicative of the way things have gotten over recent years. With the explosion of social media, too many people are more worried about getting "likes" than they are getting better/faster. There is no telling how many times i have seen guys trying to get their elbow down and posing for the photographers...while riding 10 seconds off anything resembling even a Novice race pace. But when i offer to help coach them, they are like "nah im good dude".

Often times the ultimate goal is to look fast, rather than to be fast. Guys will turn down instruction, then go out there and hang off the bike like monkeys hoping for that good picture, while i am passing them on the outside just shaking my head.

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yeah, but lap times don't look as cool on your instagram feed as a picture of dragging knees, elbows, and ass

 

[Chaotic]

The Panigale on Supercorsa SPs is capable of 58-59 degrees lean with a good rider. The Norwegian champion rides a 14R, and on slicks he pulls 60+ all day..

From earlier in this thread.....

a street superbike, with DOT-legal street rubber, should max out at about 50 degrees. With slicks and a WSBK suspension on a prepared track, 55 degrees. It takes a MotoGP setup to get 60 degrees, and commentators have said that Bridgestone sees their tires as capable of 63 degrees, no more.

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[Chaotic]

Problem with lap times they are truthful in ability and what these bikes are made for . I can read endless threads about which bikes has the best dyno results what my lean angle is best exhaust lightest wheels and on and on .
Truth is best money spent is on coaching and tyres biggest thrill is beating your PB at the track for me anyway .

Well said, couldn't agree more.

yeah, but lap times don't look as cool on your instagram feed as a picture of dragging knees, elbows, and ass

True

Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with cool looking pictures. Even to this day I like seeing a cool picture of myself, like my avatar picture where im skimming my elbow across the curbing. But the difference is that I was battling for a Podium position in that picture.

Good lean angle and dragging body parts should be the result of good BP combined with high speed relative to the radius of the corner. In other words, it should be the result...not the goal.

But of course, more times than not the primary goal is to see how many facebook likes one can achieve.

 

[derblott]

Appreciate the constructive comments, Chris. There's a lot of ........ in this thread.

I don't care about impressing anyone, just trying to be safe on stock tires. I was not getting passed by anyone, to answer your question - but I'm only in the intermediate group (faster end of it at least) and am a pretty new track rider. My form and body position likely need a lot of work.

And to actually record meaningful laptimes you need the DDA chip, correct? Manually pulling the flash button as you blast past the line at 165mph+ is difficult to get consistent every single lap. I'm just using an AIM SOLO gps timer.

It's incredible how inflammatory this topic is getting, I think all the people saying "you squid poser, who cares about lean angles?!??!" are just as bad as the people trying to impress their friends. Our bikes have a lean angle indicator, it's a tool, it's OK to talk about it and any value we can get from it. I promise.

 

[JDBeretta]

Appreciate the constructive comments, Chris. There's a lot of ........ in this thread.



I don't care about impressing anyone, just trying to be safe on stock tires. I was not getting passed by anyone, to answer your question - but I'm only in the intermediate group (faster end of it at least) and am a pretty new track rider. My form and body position likely need a lot of work.



And to actually record meaningful laptimes you need the DDA chip, correct? Manually pulling the flash button as you blast past the line at 165mph+ is difficult to get consistent every single lap. I'm just using an AIM SOLO gps timer.



It's incredible how inflammatory this topic is getting, I think all the people saying "you squid poser, who cares about lean angles?!??!" are just as bad as the people trying to impress their friends. Our bikes have a lean angle indicator, it's a tool, it's OK to talk about it and any value we can get from it. I promise.

Well put. Definitely have some very concerning posts regarding lean angles, but this was def not one of them.

 

[TurboLag]

From earlier in this thread.....





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Yes, my post was a direct answer to that one. I can try to get logs from a sbk rider over here to show that they pull 60 degrees on a regular basis if needed..

 

[Chaotic]

Nope, no need...unless you just want to.

My giveashitometer for other people's lean angle is stuck at 0.

 

[BTrain5489]

The bike can also record lap times. Does anybody else find it sad that we have a thread dedicated to lean angle, but not one dedicated to lap times?

I've believed, for some time, that should be an option built into our profiles here. So that when someone says oh I do X, Y, and Z you'd have a good idea of whether they were worth listening to or not.

Lean angle can mean a lot of things. Lap times are a lot less ambiguous.

 

[Matt1299]

Lean Angles Recorded

I am new to this forum, and new to the 1299, but no stranger to a racetrack or a Panigale as this is my second one. These are the lean angles I achieved at the local racetrack this past Sunday (stock bike, stock tires). I thought they seemed pretty high, especially for my skill set, but this bike is ever so rideable even while dragging footpegs and feet all over the track at 1,000,000mph on this rocket ship. The Lap times are way off, button is hard to grab at 160+, but I did set my personal best lap that day on this bike (combined in the 4 minute lap time pic). Also see next post for a pic of tire wear from three sessions during suspension setup which still isn't done. Any feedback or tips are appreciated!

 

[Matt1299]

More new Pani testing

Tire wear from 50-53 degree lean angles, first few sessions at track, 90% pace

 

[Matt1299]

Highest speed/angles

Two laps combined, missed the button. The second lap was my personal best, I peeked as I zipped over the line each time.