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TJ99 · Apr 8, 2014

OK, back!

Now to the questions. As for passing EU regulations, I won't get into the technical details but it's definitely not easy. The engine project manager is incredibly proud (rightfully so) of having created a 200+hp twin that runs on street gas, has normal maintenance intervals, and complies with quite strict noise and emissions regs. It is extremely close to a WSBK engine in the amount and character of its power.

The electronics - big highlights include the introduction of wheelie control which allows maximum possible acceleration. A lean-angle sensor is added to the DDA+ data acquisition module, so you can see lean info in the data. The traction control now automatically calibrates to the rear tyre, allowing one to switch with no hassle. And finally, there are the dedicated buttons on the left clipon that allow one to adjust a selected parameter on-the-fly (you use the dash to select one of three parameters to assign to the buttons - engine braking control, wheelie control, traction control).

Panigale1199R · Apr 8, 2014

Eleven 99 said:
Saw this on FB...

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=767408179938634

That is at my dealer Ducati Zaltbommel in The Netherlands.

Ljuice26 · Apr 8, 2014

TJ99 said:
OK, back!

Now to the questions. As for passing EU regulations, I won't get into the technical details but it's definitely not easy. The engine project manager is incredibly proud (rightfully so) of having created a 200+hp twin that runs on street gas, has normal maintenance intervals, and complies with quite strict noise and emissions regs. It is extremely close to a WSBK engine in the amount and character of its power.

The electronics - big highlights include the introduction of wheelie control which allows maximum possible acceleration. A lean-angle sensor is added to the DDA+ data acquisition module, so you can see lean info in the data. The traction control now automatically calibrates to the rear tyre, allowing one to switch with no hassle. And finally, there are the dedicated buttons on the left clipon that allow one to adjust a selected parameter on-the-fly (you use the dash to select one of three parameters to assign to the buttons - engine braking control, wheelie control, traction control).

Will any of these features filter down to curent bikes, like my 2012 1199?

wilkson · Apr 8, 2014

Ljuice26 said:
Will any of these features filter down to curent bikes, like my 2012 1199?

I would have thought maybe future bikes if any . You can most likely build a similar motor .
I am sure the cams and valves are available as a Ducati part . Pistons of course are different and a decent engine builder you can achieve great results

TJ99 · Apr 8, 2014

Ljuice26 said:
Will any of these features filter down to curent bikes, like my 2012 1199?

Current bikes? If you mean will Ducati come out to your place and install the SL's electronics on your '12 1199, then the answer is no

As for future models, of course I can't say what will/will not be, it's up to you guys to speculate on that.

Duck41 · Apr 8, 2014

TJ99 said:
OK, back!

Now to the questions. As for passing EU regulations, I won't get into the technical details but it's definitely not easy. The engine project manager is incredibly proud (rightfully so) of having created a 200+hp twin that runs on street gas, has normal maintenance intervals, and complies with quite strict noise and emissions regs. It is extremely close to a WSBK engine in the amount and character of its power.

The electronics - big highlights include the introduction of wheelie control which allows maximum possible acceleration. A lean-angle sensor is added to the DDA+ data acquisition module, so you can see lean info in the data. The traction control now automatically calibrates to the rear tyre, allowing one to switch with no hassle. And finally, there are the dedicated buttons on the left clipon that allow one to adjust a selected parameter on-the-fly (you use the dash to select one of three parameters to assign to the buttons - engine braking control, wheelie control, traction control).

You mentioned you’re a project manager for the bike, but didn’t offer specifics beyond that. Which operation do you oversee, exactly?

The engine project manager is incredibly proud (rightfully so) of having created a 200+hp twin …

What is with the 200+hp figure? Are you not able to provide an exact figure for the power output achieved? If so, what is it? Also, you mention it is extremely close to a WSBK engine in the amount and character of its power. I assume you’re referring to how quickly it spins up. Can you provide quantifiable data to demonstrate the difference between how this engine generates power to those found in an 1199S and/or 1199R? Better to show us than tell us.

A lean-angle sensor is added to the DDA+ data acquisition module, so you can see lean info in the data.

Is this all the lean-angle sensor does? Record data? I’m fairly certain there is an iPhone app that could accomplish this, so I was hoping to see a bit more functionality from this feature. Does it not interoperate with traction control and/or ABS, Ã la KTM’s Bosch motorcycle stability control (MSC), which uses gyros to monitor traction control and ABS while at a lean? What is the range of wheelie control adjustability, and what advantages does it carry over, say, the wheelie control technology that is already included by some of the competition, such as in BMW’s S1000RR/ HP4 models?

TJ99 · Apr 8, 2014

Duck41 said:
blablabla

Sense of entitlement, much? Go for a ride or something.

JeffD · Apr 8, 2014

TJ99 - you're doing a great job of selling me on something I can't afford.

Thanks for the insight and details. Are you an American? Your written word sounds like it or at least you had some higher-level English education.

Capt CF · Apr 8, 2014

TJ99 said:
Sense of entitlement, much? Go for a ride or something.

ROFL.. even if he's not really a PM for Ducati I kind of like his style. It would almost explain the customer service experience we get in the states.

Duck41 · Apr 8, 2014

TJ99 said:
Sense of entitlement, much? Go for a ride or something.

Enlightening. Many thanks for the helpful response.

Stw · Apr 8, 2014

Lets try to keep this focused....if possible....

Jello · Apr 8, 2014

Capt CF said:
ROFL.. even if he's not really a PM for Ducati I kind of like his style. It would almost explain the customer service experience we get in the states.

Haha, yeah...
Though I have to say, the tone of the line of questioning directed at him left much to be desired. I was going to say something as soon as I read it, but thought I'd wait and see how our new Italian friend would respond first.

Capt CF · Apr 8, 2014

Jello said:
Haha, yeah...
Though I have to say, the tone of the line of questioning directed at him left much to be desired. I was going to say something as soon as I read it, but thought I'd wait and see how our new Italian friend would respond first.

It's these damn internets and the tone of the message problem again. Maybe everybody can get over it and get back to getting their learn on.

TJ99 · Apr 8, 2014

Duck41 said:
Enlightening. Many thanks for the helpful response.

I'm surprised you'd expect any different, given the tone of your post.

@JeffD ha, I'm in the same boat.
@Capt CF the customer care line at Ducati is usually quite helpful and responsive, did you have a bad dealer experience?

acowsik · Apr 8, 2014

TJ99 said:
the customer care line at Ducati is usually quite helpful and responsive, did you have a bad dealer experience?

I will send you a PM on this.. hope you can help if possible..

Duck41 · Apr 8, 2014

TJ99 said:
I'm surprised you'd expect any different, given the tone of your post.

@JeffD ha, I'm in the same boat.
@Capt CF the customer care line at Ducati is usually quite helpful and responsive, did you have a bad dealer experience?

On the contrary, it was perfectly in line with my expectations. Call me skeptical about your claims.

Nonetheless, I am genuinely interested in having these questions answered. Feel free to oblige anytime, provided you're capable of doing so.

JeffD · Apr 8, 2014

TJ99 said:
@Capt CF the customer care line at Ducati is usually quite helpful and responsive, did you have a bad dealer experience?

TJ99 - I actually had a fantastic experience with Ducati customer service from Borgo Panigale. 2 years ago (2012) at Daytona Beach Bike Week, I test rode several Ducatis at a local dealer who hosted the Southeast Ducati NA factory representative (Chris, don't know his last name). My name and number somehow made it to a marketing research person from Italy, which I assume was in the Borgo Panigale home office. It was a woman who spoke a bit of broken English and she had a few questions about my demo experience. She was so pleasant to talk to and enthusiastic about Ducati fans, and I was so impressed to get a call directly from the factory in Italy that it bolstered my love for the brand.

I've ridden for 24 years and owned Triumph's, MV Agusta's, Aprilia's, Buell's and all the Japanese brands. But somehow I never owned a Ducati. This phone call pushed me over the edge and I bought a 2012 1199.

If you are able, please pass on my story, as if I were in the marketing department I would want to know that those efforts paid off directly.

TJ99 · Apr 8, 2014

Look guys I've worked hard on the project, am proud of it, and am a true gearhead so I love and appreciate the SL just as much as its owners probably will. So I'm happy to respond to reasonable questions about the bike.

That said, asking for personal info, attacking my credibility, demanding data in a condescending way, and giving me loaded questions will probably not get the best results. Understandable, I hope?

shakazulu12 · Apr 8, 2014

Again, thanks for even taking the time to drop in. It's not often many get an opportunity to discuss things like this with people at the factory.

Feel free to entertain us with any interesting tidbits that may not be readily apparent just in some of the media releases that are circling around. Looking forward to journalist reviews of this bike.

TJ99 · Apr 8, 2014

JeffD said:
TJ99 - I actually had a fantastic experience with Ducati customer service from Borgo Panigale. 2 years ago (2012) at Daytona Beach Bike Week, I test rode several Ducatis at a local dealer who hosted the Southeast Ducati NA factory representative (Chris, don't know his last name). My name and number somehow made it to a marketing research person from Italy, which I assume was in the Borgo Panigale home office. It was a woman who spoke a bit of broken English and she had a few questions about my demo experience. She was so pleasant to talk to and enthusiastic about Ducati fans, and I was so impressed to get a call directly from the factory in Italy that it bolstered my love for the brand.

I've ridden for 24 years and owned Triumph's, MV Agusta's, Aprilia's, Buell's and all the Japanese brands. But somehow I never owned a Ducati. This phone call pushed me over the edge and I bought a 2012 1199.

If you are able, please pass on my story, as if I were in the marketing department I would want to know that those efforts paid off directly.

Glad to hear it Jeff!

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