my new (2018) S1000RR brakes better than my V4.. I'm concerned..

SJS · Mar 25, 2019

So everything I saw on YouTube and read in reviews, plus the lighter weight of my V4 from my S1000RR makes me believe that it will brake better.. but from what I can tell, my S1000 feels more sure footed, and less spongy... The Ducati stopes fine, but feels "Faded".. I did install Rizomo reservoirs so I'm wondering if maybe they need to re-bleed the brakes or something....

Anyone else who's ridden the S1000RR confirm my suspicion that the Ducati should feel better? Could it be my pads didn't seat well? Are there better pads out there?

Fry · Mar 25, 2019

I've ridden a 2018 BMW RR and think the braking of that bike is excellent. I really like the initial bite and overall bike stability under braking. BMW also uses a full-time linked system, so you get that extra 5% from the rear wheel too.

That said, the V4 is great too, just different. I feel like I have to pull the lever harder on the V4 versus the RR but maybe also get better modulation and feel out of tt. I've lifted the rear nicely many times coming down from 160 on the track and feel like the V4 has awesome braking power compared to most bikes. Buuut, the initial bite on the lever is not as abrupt and forceful as the BMW, and I would prefer the BMW's. I've only used V4 OEM pads thus far (half-way through my second set at 2,400 miles), but have a set of Vesrah RJL SS racing pads lined up to try next.

SJS · Mar 25, 2019

Fry said:
I've ridden a 2018 BMW RR and think the braking of that bike is excellent. I really like the initial bite and overall bike stability under braking. BMW also uses a full-time linked system, so you get that extra 5% from the rear wheel too.

That said, the V4 is great too, just different. I feel like I have to pull the lever harder on the V4 versus the RR but maybe also get better modulation and feel out of tt. I've lifted the rear nicely many times coming down from 160 on the track and feel like the V4 has awesome braking power compared to most bikes. Buuut, the initial bite on the lever is not as abrupt and forceful as the BMW, and I would prefer the BMW's. I've only used V4 OEM pads thus far (half-way through my second set at 2,400 miles), but have a set of Vesrah RJL SS racing pads lined up to try next.

that's what it is.. that initial bite of the BMW is so much nicer... maybe I'll pay around with some distance tests from 30-40mph... and see.

oldmansan · Mar 25, 2019

SJS said:
So everything I saw on YouTube and read in reviews, plus the lighter weight of my V4 from my S1000RR makes me believe that it will brake better.. but from what I can tell, my S1000 feels more sure footed, and less spongy... The Ducati stopes fine, but feels "Faded".. I did install Rizomo reservoirs so I'm wondering if maybe they need to re-bleed the brakes or something....

Anyone else who's ridden the S1000RR confirm my suspicion that the Ducati should feel better? Could it be my pads didn't seat well? Are there better pads out there?

I had to get on my brakes hard on the Ducati several times yesterday. The brakes feel very good, and I need to dial up the support in the front some more. One of the instances was an immediate panic braking scenario and I was doing 80+. Felt like I locked up the front for a chirp. The front end stayed straight and true. Another was a very hard braking over several seconds scenario and the front felt like it was moving back and forth slightly. I only have 1300 miles on the bike, so I don't think I have a great feel for getting the most out of the brakes yet.

That said, the RR brakes are outstanding, and why my R1M feels woefully inadequate in comparison. I don't know if it's just the pads, but I've never had better brakes than the RR. They were excellent right off the bat. Great initial bite, feel, powerful braking and the front feels very planted under braking. Hope that helps.

I started another thread yesterday about the 2020 S1000RR. I got to check one out in the flesh as it's destined to be a famous BMW racer's new bike. Expected price with the M package is $23-24K. I put down a refundable deposit.

San

oldmansan · Mar 25, 2019

Fry said:
I've ridden a 2018 BMW RR and think the braking of that bike is excellent. I really like the initial bite and overall bike stability under braking. BMW also uses a full-time linked system, so you get that extra 5% from the rear wheel too.

That said, the V4 is great too, just different. I feel like I have to pull the lever harder on the V4 versus the RR but maybe also get better modulation and feel out of tt. I've lifted the rear nicely many times coming down from 160 on the track and feel like the V4 has awesome braking power compared to most bikes. Buuut, the initial bite on the lever is not as abrupt and forceful as the BMW, and I would prefer the BMW's. I've only used V4 OEM pads thus far (half-way through my second set at 2,400 miles), but have a set of Vesrah RJL SS racing pads lined up to try next.

I would have to agree with this. I wish the V4 had the linked braking. I also think that having bought the RR first makes it a tough act to follow WRT braking. I'm going down to the basement to dial up the braking support to see if that makes a difference tomorrow.

San

PanigaleV4S · Mar 25, 2019

I've previously owned a 2016 S1000RR and the initial bite on those brakes is definitely more aggressive than the V4, but in saying that, BMW has moved away from Brembo and are now using Hayes brakes on the new gen bike as they wanted a more gradual feeling while under hard braking. They also probably swapped from Brembo to save costs.

The V4 brakes aren't as confidence inspiring as the BMW's, but I've jammed them on at high speeds and they definitely pull up!

oldmansan · Mar 25, 2019

PanigaleV4S said:
I've previously owned a 2016 S1000RR and the initial bite on those brakes is definitely more aggressive than the V4, but in saying that, BMW has moved away from Brembo and are now using Hayes brakes on the new gen bike as they wanted a more gradual feeling while under hard braking. They also probably swapped from Brembo to save costs.

The V4 brakes aren't as confidence inspiring as the BMW's, but I've jammed them on at high speeds and they definitely pull up!

The rear brakes on the 2020 RR are still Brembo and the fronts are in house from my source that tests for BMW. The fronts are said to be excellent, so I guess we'll see. I actually got a look at the 2020 RR with the M package Saturday.

San

Mutt1979 · Mar 26, 2019

I've felt from day 1 that the brakes felt a little shy in comparison to my old R. Tried bleeding which helped. Only thing I could really think of was that there seems to be a lot more line in the system to pressurise.

I'm thinking pads first, maybe competition lines to follow?

cmh210 · Mar 27, 2019

oldmansan said:
The rear brakes on the 2020 RR are still Brembo and the fronts are in house from my source that tests for BMW. The fronts are said to be excellent, so I guess we'll see. I actually got a look at the 2020 RR with the M package Saturday.

San

That makes sense. I just picked up a brand new 2019 R1250 RT at work, and the front calipers have "BMW" stamped on them. Haven't done any brake testing with it yet, but we'll see how good they are. Let the fun begin!

RichRace · Mar 28, 2019

PanigaleV4S said:
I've previously owned a 2016 S1000RR and the initial bite on those brakes is definitely more aggressive than the V4, but in saying that, BMW has moved away from Brembo and are now using Hayes brakes on the new gen bike as they wanted a more gradual feeling while under hard braking. They also probably swapped from Brembo to save costs.

The V4 brakes aren't as confidence inspiring as the BMW's, but I've jammed them on at high speeds and they definitely pull up!

Yes, and the funny thing is, on the video I looked at, the tester said the new 2020 BMW RR's initial bite from the brakes aren't there anymore. The person in charge of building the new 2020 BMW RR bike said, he knows, they didn't want that initial bite anymore, and wanted a more gradual brake feeling. Go Figure.

nealeo · Mar 29, 2019

alot of people didnt like that aggressive intial bite on the bmw, it never bothered me on my rr but i prefer the v4 brakes over the rr brakes

oldmansan · Mar 29, 2019

nealeo said:
alot of people didnt like that aggressive intial bite on the bmw, it never bothered me on my rr but i prefer the v4 brakes over the rr brakes

I think you're in the minority there. I prefer the RR brakes over the V4, and anything else I've ridden. I prefer the initial bite and the strong follow through of the RR brakes, but more importantly, the front end of the RR feels much more planted under hard braking than the V4. I have 13K+ miles on the RR, and only 1.6K miles on the V4, so there may be some bias due to familiarity, but others seem to think the same, despite this being a Ducati forum.

San

nealeo · Mar 30, 2019

one thing about the strong rr initial bite is it can work against you in a panic stop other than that i had no gripes with the rr brakes. i wonder what the stopping distances are for each bike

AndreiD · Apr 9, 2019

oldmansan said:
I would have to agree with this. I wish the V4 had the linked braking. I also think that having bought the RR first makes it a tough act to follow WRT braking. I'm going down to the basement to dial up the braking support to see if that makes a difference tomorrow.

San

For the street that might give you an advantage however for track and racing, imho linked brakes are a no-no as most of the riders I've met like to manually decide which brakes to use and when.

Macattack · Apr 9, 2019

Ducati Probably put less aggressive Pads on the v4 due to meeting customers needs.
I remember hearing from dealers about customers crashing the 1098 and blaming the brakes . obviously the brakes were not to blame .
the panigale had more street friendly brake pads on it than the 1*98 series bikes IMO its not like they downgraded the brakes

I would bet you could get the feel you are looking for by changing the brake pads

Veteran · Apr 9, 2019

Macattack said:
Ducati Probably put less aggressive Pads on the v4 due to meeting customers needs.
I remember hearing from dealers about customers crashing the 1098 and blaming the brakes . obviously the brakes were not to blame .
the panigale had more street friendly brake pads on it than the 1*98 series bikes IMO its not like they downgraded the brakes

I would bet you could get the feel you are looking for by changing the brake pads

The R1 has wooden brakes. Just changing pads makes a world of difference. I’d imagine the same applies to the stylema calipers.
FWIW, I run SBS dual carbons on my 10r race bike. Once they are warm, the initial bite and stopping power are next level compared to OEM pads.

SJS · Apr 9, 2019

Veteran said:
The R1 has wooden brakes. Just changing pads makes a world of difference. I'd imagine the same applies to the stylema calipers.
FWIW, I run SBS dual carbons on my 10r race bike. Once they are warm, the initial bite and stopping power are next level compared to OEM pads.

I cannot find a single source in the US to buy these, much less a set that works on the V4... got a link?

MotoX183 · Apr 9, 2019

I've been using the Vesrah race pads on my V4 race bike. The stock ones are SUPER soft. I used up a complete set of stock front pads in 1 day at COTA. The Vesrah's are much much harder in comparison. I've ran two full race weekends (fri-sun) on my current Vesrah set and they still don't look half bad.

Stopping power seems excellent as well. They are probably much harder on the rotors than the stock pads though. I might just toss on a set of the 6mm T-drives or something anyway.

007 · Apr 11, 2019

SJS said:
that's what it is.. that initial bite of the BMW is so much nicer... maybe I'll pay around with some distance tests from 30-40mph... and see.

.....

So its the same with the v4...

Thats my complaint with my 1299.. Rode a s1000rr and jumped on the anchors like i do on my duc and nearly destroyed my nuts on the tank lol.

Then i was told my bike didnt get the recall done on the brakes involving the piston in the front caliper i think?

Got it done, was better.. But not still not close to the s1000rr imo.

I have my level adjusted to short as possible, the duc mech at ducati says the feel will be better if the travel is longer, i havent done it yet since i cant seem to loosen the screw in the lever atm

But i doubt it will make a big difference... We'll see, let me know how you go anyhow

my new (2018) S1000RR brakes better than my V4.. I'm concerned..

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