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cavlino said:
I did read that others had that on the 1199s and I was hoping it would work for the V4 but when I had my previous V4 about a year ago now the Tuneboy did not support the V4 for the Cruise feature. I haven't done much searching yet for alternatives but I will soon.
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<offtopic> I had the Crampbuster laying around unused for years. started to install it again on PV4 only for the boringly slow ‘highway’ days riding our Euro tours.
With these manual clamps you gotta be careful not to forget its there 🤪 and you must practice to perfection setting it to desired ‘fixed’ throttle position or in the downward ‘off’ position, especially in split second situations when -unprepared- the unpredicted happens. If not, brace yourselves for a bike buckaroo or worse.
I kinda understand that manual cruise control clamps are illegally dangerous.</offtopic>

Why would anyone want to permanently uninstall ABS (aka physically remove or override its function via a hardware dongle), when you can temporarily switch it off on the fly via dashboard settings?
 
RdashP said:
<offtopic> I had the Crampbuster laying around unused for years. started to install it again on PV4 only for the boringly slow ‘highway’ days riding our Euro tours.
With these manual clamps you gotta be careful not to forget its there 🤪 and you must practice to perfection setting it to desired ‘fixed’ throttle position or in the downward ‘off’ position, especially in split second situations when -unprepared- the unpredicted happens. If not, brace yourselves for a bike buckaroo or worse.
I kinda understand that manual cruise control clamps are illegally dangerous.</offtopic>

Why would anyone want to permanently uninstall ABS (aka physically remove or override its function via a hardware dongle), when you can temporarily switch it off on the fly via dashboard settings?
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If it’s a race dedicated bike I can see a couple benefits for removal. Weight for one. Space for another.

Shame Corse can’t/won’t get w the program and offer race kit parts like HRC and GYTR. Even Kawa has a race kit available to the public.
 
RdashP said:
Why would anyone want to permanently uninstall ABS (aka physically remove or override its function via a hardware dongle), when you can temporarily switch it off on the fly via dashboard settings?
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Only the rear ABS can be turned off via dash, not the front.
 
SuperDomestique said:
If it’s a race dedicated bike I can see a couple benefits for removal. Weight for one. Space for another.

Shame Corse can’t/won’t get w the program and offer race kit parts like HRC and GYTR. Even Kawa has a race kit available to the public.
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Sure for pro’s, where race regulation prohibits use of IMU/ABS and best possible power2weight makes the difference between winning or ‘the rest’.

Yet for most of us mere mortals (aka the rest) riding street-legal PV4’s a/o in amateur/hobby competitions, losing this weight ourselves a/o honing our skills to shave of a few (tenths of) seconds per lap imho makes more sense?😇

“Space”?
What else to fit there instead? Or more space between remaining components equals better engine cooling a/o less bike load?
 
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SuperDomestique said:
If it’s a race dedicated bike I can see a couple benefits for removal. Weight for one. Space for another.

Shame Corse can’t/won’t get w the program and offer race kit parts like HRC and GYTR. Even Kawa has a race kit available to the public.
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Yes, this is quite surprising.

Considering Ducati marketing strategy and business plans it would make sense to offer Corse parts to the general public, especially when they produce the R.
 
RdashP said:
Sure for pro’s, where race regulation prohibits use of IMU/ABS and best possible power2weight makes the difference between winning or ‘the rest’.

Yet for most of us mere mortals (aka the rest) riding street-legal PV4’s a/o in amateur/hobby competitions, losing this weight ourselves a/o honing our skills imho makes more sense?😇
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But then what would you do when you’re bored and have some extra money lying around? 🤔
 
RdashP said:
Sure for pro’s, where race regulation prohibits use of IMU/ABS and best possible power2weight makes the difference between winning or ‘the rest’.
“Space”?
What else to fit there instead? Or more space between remaining components equals better engine cooling a/o less bike load?
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I think it’s about lever feel more than anything else and maybe marginally better breaking for the very few that are chasing 10ths on their lap times.
 
I think the threshold of grip is the threshold of grip, the point where the tyre says I can't cope with what you are asking me to do. There is only ever 100% of grip available and where that 100% sits will be down to tyre condition, surface condition, and type of input the operator is putting in.

We ask the tyre to grip whilst its doing three things, accelerate, brake and corner. It is generally when you ask it to do two things at once where the problem occurs. So if you are using 90% of the grip to slow down and then add an input to turn of 40% you have exceeded the grip available with a consequence of a low side.

if you are still using 60% of the grip to corner and whack 50% of acceleration in again you are exceeding the available grip with a consequence of a high side.

The operator has to modulate the 'trade off' of what you are asking the tyres to do when you are doing two things at once, and you also have to not shock the grip when you add inputs. The analogy would be creeping up on someone and whacking them on the shoulders, they would fall over! But if you gradually increase the push in smaller increments they have more opportunity to resist the change.

When I read people saying I need to get rid of the ABS because it pushed me wide, I laugh! In my opinion the ABS has just stopped them from crashing and in a far more smoother and controlled input that most humans can do. It isn't holding them back its saving them.

Modern ABS systems especially cornering ABS, how good is that? Not only is it picking up wheel speed relative front to back, Its also reacting to the change in circumference of the tyre when the bike is leant over and calculating how much interference it needs to do. Add in the fact the modern systems can be turned up and down for level of intrusion, I don't know why anyone would see it as the enemy, and doesn't accept it like all the other modern systems the bike has.
 
andyb said:
I think the threshold of grip is the threshold of grip, the point where the tyre says I can't cope with what you are asking me to do. There is only ever 100% of grip available and where that 100% sits will be down to tyre condition, surface condition, and type of input the operator is putting in.

We ask the tyre to grip whilst its doing three things, accelerate, brake and corner. It is generally when you ask it to do two things at once where the problem occurs. So if you are using 90% of the grip to slow down and then add an input to turn of 40% you have exceeded the grip available with a consequence of a low side.

if you are still using 60% of the grip to corner and whack 50% of acceleration in again you are exceeding the available grip with a consequence of a high side.

The operator has to modulate the 'trade off' of what you are asking the tyres to do when you are doing two things at once, and you also have to not shock the grip when you add inputs. The analogy would be creeping up on someone and whacking them on the shoulders, they would fall over! But if you gradually increase the push in smaller increments they have more opportunity to resist the change.

When I read people saying I need to get rid of the ABS because it pushed me wide, I laugh! In my opinion the ABS has just stopped them from crashing and in a far more smoother and controlled input that most humans can do. It isn't holding them back its saving them.

Modern ABS systems especially cornering ABS, how good is that? Not only is it picking up wheel speed relative front to back, Its also reacting to the change in circumference of the tyre when the bike is leant over and calculating how much interference it needs to do. Add in the fact the modern systems can be turned up and down for level of intrusion, I don't know why anyone would see it as the enemy, and doesn't accept it like all the other modern systems the bike has.
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Because, when it comes to the limit, the ABS is configured for road tyres, in road conditions. As such, you can easily exceed the limitations of the ABS, safely, on track with slick tyres.

I would guess, the ABS is good enough for novice and middle group pace riders, and even up to reasonably fast fast group riders. I kept the ABS on my V4R, until it started to hinder me. It is certainly the best bike ABS system I have encountered.

The pump is also heavy. So, if you're buying lithium batteries, light weight wheels etc, then it's a relatively cheap mod, for good weight savings.
 
I was going to say that the DTC EVO 3 software should take care of any changes to slick tires but upon reflection it looks like it applies no changes to ABS calibration.

Alas, another aspect Ducati has overlooked 🤷‍♂️
 
Alkhater said:
I was going to say that the DTC EVO 3 software should take care of any changes to slick tires but upon reflection it looks like it applies no changes to ABS calibration.

Alas, another aspect Ducati has overlooked 🤷‍♂️
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Yes, it's a very good system, but only up to a point. It's incredibly smooth when it cuts in, like no ABS I've felt before, but just steals lever feel when you're fairly close to the limit unfortunately. Presumably, it's calibration errs on the side of caution, for obvious reasons 🤣
 
andyb said:
I think the threshold of grip is the threshold of grip, the point where the tyre says I can't cope with what you are asking me to do. There is only ever 100% of grip available and where that 100% sits will be down to tyre condition, surface condition, and type of input the operator is putting in.

We ask the tyre to grip whilst its doing three things, accelerate, brake and corner. It is generally when you ask it to do two things at once where the problem occurs. So if you are using 90% of the grip to slow down and then add an input to turn of 40% you have exceeded the grip available with a consequence of a low side.

if you are still using 60% of the grip to corner and whack 50% of acceleration in again you are exceeding the available grip with a consequence of a high side.

The operator has to modulate the 'trade off' of what you are asking the tyres to do when you are doing two things at once, and you also have to not shock the grip when you add inputs. The analogy would be creeping up on someone and whacking them on the shoulders, they would fall over! But if you gradually increase the push in smaller increments they have more opportunity to resist the change.

When I read people saying I need to get rid of the ABS because it pushed me wide, I laugh! In my opinion the ABS has just stopped them from crashing and in a far more smoother and controlled input that most humans can do. It isn't holding them back its saving them.

Modern ABS systems especially cornering ABS, how good is that? Not only is it picking up wheel speed relative front to back, Its also reacting to the change in circumference of the tyre when the bike is leant over and calculating how much interference it needs to do. Add in the fact the modern systems can be turned up and down for level of intrusion, I don't know why anyone would see it as the enemy, and doesn't accept it like all the other modern systems the bike has.
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Where’d you copy this from?
 
I've had front ABS intervene a couple of time during amateur races when I was pushing very hard: 2019 V4 with Race Evo2, SC2 front, good grip conditions. At the time, I felt that the system had saved me from crashing. The intervention did run me wide and cost me time but that was better than a crash in my mind. Since then, I have improved my riding and bike setup and am starting to believe the front tire can handle more cornering load (if applied smoothly and correctly) and that perhaps the ABS system will limit a rider once he's past a certain point. The fastest guy I know personally on a V4 has his ABS bypassed and says it's a must-have modification, for "feel" more than avoiding intervention.
 
craig bush said:
Where’d you copy this from?
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Ive got more qualifications and history delivering training around maintaining stability than you could even begin to possibly imagine....
but hey ho ill leave it to the JP test pilot..:rolleyes:
 
Oh, and the laws of physics are the laws of physics.....not even divine intervention will stop those.
 
andyb said:
Ive got more qualifications and history delivering training around maintaining stability than you could even begin to possibly imagine....
but hey ho ill leave it to the JP test pilot..:rolleyes:
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Wow… talk about a ricochet 😅
 

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