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andyb said:
I think the threshold of grip is the threshold of grip, the point where the tyre says I can't cope with what you are asking me to do. There is only ever 100% of grip available and where that 100% sits will be down to tyre condition, surface condition, and type of input the operator is putting in.

We ask the tyre to grip whilst its doing three things, accelerate, brake and corner. It is generally when you ask it to do two things at once where the problem occurs. So if you are using 90% of the grip to slow down and then add an input to turn of 40% you have exceeded the grip available with a consequence of a low side.

if you are still using 60% of the grip to corner and whack 50% of acceleration in again you are exceeding the available grip with a consequence of a high side.

The operator has to modulate the 'trade off' of what you are asking the tyres to do when you are doing two things at once, and you also have to not shock the grip when you add inputs. The analogy would be creeping up on someone and whacking them on the shoulders, they would fall over! But if you gradually increase the push in smaller increments they have more opportunity to resist the change.

When I read people saying I need to get rid of the ABS because it pushed me wide, I laugh! In my opinion the ABS has just stopped them from crashing and in a far more smoother and controlled input that most humans can do. It isn't holding them back its saving them.

Modern ABS systems especially cornering ABS, how good is that? Not only is it picking up wheel speed relative front to back, Its also reacting to the change in circumference of the tyre when the bike is leant over and calculating how much interference it needs to do. Add in the fact the modern systems can be turned up and down for level of intrusion, I don't know why anyone would see it as the enemy, and doesn't accept it like all the other modern systems the bike has.
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On a serious note, surely you recognize this writing ^^^ demonstrates several notable differences from your usual writing that might lead one to conclude that it isn’t your writing at all?

In the post above, you use punctuation, capitalization, and good sentence structure. You also express yourself thoughtfully, and without pedantic insults or sarcasm.

A welcome change from usual. :)
 
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craig bush said:
On a serious note, surely you recognize this writing ^^^ demonstrates several notable differences from your usual writing that might lead one to conclude that it isn’t your writing at all?

In the post above, you use punctuation, capitalization, and good sentence structure. You also express yourself thoughtfully, and without pedantic insults or sarcasm.

A welcome change from usual. :)
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It’s andyGPT
 
RickD996 said:
I've only ever activated the ABS in the dry, so wanted to test it in those conditions.
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So you were at a track on a race day finally with the new gizmo fitted. It was raining, which in my humble understanding would mean the level of grip is potentially lower and therefor the ABS would be activating and impeding your progress pretty much every corner entry ....what a great opportunity to try the new gizmo to confirm the ABS is not operating and prove your lap times would be better as a result... and you didn't use it?

Quality!
 
andyb said:
So you were at a track on a race day finally with the new gizmo fitted. It was raining, which in my humble understanding would mean the level of grip is potentially lower and therefor the ABS would be activating and impeding your progress pretty much every corner entry ....what a great opportunity to try the new gizmo to confirm the ABS is not operating and prove your lap times would be better as a result... and you didn't use it?

Quality!
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Unusually for you Andy, you're only considering a small part of the whole picture. And, in that small part you are looking at, you lack understanding.
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I await the cut and paste from Ducati/Bosch websites, that don't add anything to the conversation 👌
 
usually for you you get the insults out when you are illogical and don't make sense!
 
I'm late to the party, Andy's been drunk posting again but that's ok since he is not creeping up on people and whacking them on their shoulders to test grip lol!

Good conversation though, I am big on learning to use the rider aids fully since they allow one to test limits relatively safely. Once you're at a level where you dont need them then sure, turn them off or get the dongle but why would you unless they are holding you back? ABS is absolutely awesome on the street, and for track day riders at my level its like a built in tutor. To get to the limit of ABS specifically on a Pani you you will need to be pretty fast and I bet most of the people who ride these bikes are not there and never will be. I am not removing mine because I am not good enough plus I use the bike in the real world that has pea gravel, shiny wet patches in the middle of corners, coolant and oil splashes and fuckwits that pull out of driveways.
 
Paul G said:
I'm late to the party, Andy's been drunk posting again but that's ok since he is not creeping up on people and whacking them on their shoulders to test grip lol!

Good conversation though, I am big on learning to use the rider aids fully since they allow one to test limits relatively safely. Once you're at a level where you dont need them then sure, turn them off or get the dongle but why would you unless they are holding you back? ABS is absolutely awesome on the street, and for track day riders at my level its like a built in tutor. To get to the limit of ABS specifically on a Pani you you will need to be pretty fast and I bet most of the people who ride these bikes are not there and never will be. I am not removing mine because I am not good enough plus I use the bike in the real world that has pea gravel, shiny wet patches in the middle of corners, coolant and oil splashes and fuckwits that pull out of driveways.
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I think ABS on the street is a no-brainer. 👍
 
Jolly Roger V4 said:
Peoples, drink a latte, watch Moto GP this weekend, enjoy your bikes and track days on our beloved Ducati's and now please please stop this ..... poking
in a dark alley after a long days drunk...
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Paul G said:
I'm late to the party, Andy's been drunk posting again but that's ok since he is not creeping up on people and whacking them on their shoulders to test grip lol!

Good conversation though, I am big on learning to use the rider aids fully since they allow one to test limits relatively safely. Once you're at a level where you dont need them then sure, turn them off or get the dongle but why would you unless they are holding you back? ABS is absolutely awesome on the street, and for track day riders at my level its like a built in tutor. To get to the limit of ABS specifically on a Pani you you will need to be pretty fast and I bet most of the people who ride these bikes are not there and never will be. I am not removing mine because I am not good enough plus I use the bike in the real world that has pea gravel, shiny wet patches in the middle of corners, coolant and oil splashes and fuckwits that pull out of driveways.
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Agreed 100%. Put my ABS to work a few days ago when a gas tanker pulled in front of me 🔥🔥🔥 It was kind of amazing how well it worked and how much control was there.

But ABS is only good in certain situations. There’s a place and a time for it. In the right hands, ABS is more a hindrance than a help.

And I’m all for Jet Prime sorting out this issue since Ducati won’t provide a solution (even though it has no bearing on me).
 

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