New Translogic Shifter for the 1299. Finally (pics)

endodoc said:

Translogic has a similar system in a much smaller package. You can see it on their website. The ProShift system is a bit invasive and for anything but racing, I think something like this would be a bit of a pain in the .... You have to clutch and shift with the left hand which seems like it could be troublesome. Anyhow check out the Translogic Power Shifter. Its a much nicer package and i am sure the support is going to be a bit more robust

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What do you mean with clutch and shift with left hand? You don't clutch anymore, that's the whole point.. (only from neutral to first gear..)

It is especially made for racing...

I already have the Translogic system, indeed it is nice made but servo controlled which is not fast enough. For quick shifting you need a quick transition from gear to gear.. the Translogic servo is just not fast enough and there is no gear recognition available. Due of this lack of speed while shifting the micro switch of on the shift lever got messed up and damaged. (and since there is no clossed loop system for cutting ignition or fuel you HAVE to use the Ducati QS software..)

Furthermore Translogic is not custom made specific for a Ducati. There is no bracked or support available, we had to make it ourself. (the turning power that the TL servo produces is enormous though, making a bracked was no as easy as it seems..)

It was a nice experience with TL but it just didn't do the job. At high RPM's it was not able to shift strong and fast enough.

I get that. My point was that it seems a bit weird and I use the clutch most of the time from 1st to 2nd. As far as racing is concerned, show me a GP or WSBK that is using this system. I cant find one photo of any bike not using a shift lever. For the street, this is silly and not a great idea for the longevity of your gearbox. Last but not least, something goes wrong with the servo on a ride and your .... out of luck.The Translogic system retains the shift lever for just that reason. Might as well just get a Goldwing at this point.

endodoc said:

I get that. My point was that it seems a bit weird and I use the clutch most of the time from 1st to 2nd. As far as racing is concerned, show me a GP or WSBK that is using this system. I cant find one photo of any bike not using a shift lever. For the street, this is silly and not a great idea for the longevity of your gearbox. Last but not least, something goes wrong with the servo on a ride and your .... out of luck.The Translogic system retains the shift lever for just that reason. Might as well just get a Goldwing at this point.

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Translogic is very suitable (instead of for example a air shifter) if you have some kind of (medical) trouble shifting. It runs smooth and controlled while a air shifter just goes BAM and that's it.

And yeah, if something goes wrong during a ride with a Pani you're in trouble anyway.. You got a point there.

Caribbean Rider said:

What do you mean with clutch and shift with left hand? You don't clutch anymore, that's the whole point.. (only from neutral to first gear..)

It is especially made for racing...

I already have the Translogic system, indeed it is nice made but servo controlled which is not fast enough. For quick shifting you need a quick transition from gear to gear.. the Translogic servo is just not fast enough and there is no gear recognition available. Due of this lack of speed while shifting the micro switch of on the shift lever got messed up and damaged. (and since there is no clossed loop system for cutting ignition or fuel you HAVE to use the Ducati QS software..)

Furthermore Translogic is not custom made specific for a Ducati. There is no bracked or support available, we had to make it ourself. (the turning power that the TL servo produces is enormous though, making a bracked was no as easy as it seems..)

It was a nice experience with TL but it just didn't do the job. At high RPM's it was not able to shift strong and fast enough.

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That looks like the TL power shift system which is different to the OPs QS system?

Im thinking the left foot seems to work pretty well for the fastest riders on the planet so I think I will stick to using the same setup and leave the electronic shifting to those paddle thingies some genius thought my car needed. Seriously. We just got a 2016 Mercedes GL 550. The thing has paddle shifters. What possessed some engineer to think that was necessary on a 6000lb SUV.This is where were at folks.

endodoc said:

Im thinking the left foot seems to work pretty well for the fastest riders on the planet so I think I will stick to using the same setup and leave the electronic shifting to those paddle thingies some genius thought my car needed. Seriously. We just got a 2016 Mercedes GL 550. The thing has paddle shifters. What possessed some engineer to think that was necessary on a 6000lb SUV.This is where were at folks.

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Be prepared for some more 'engineers ....'.. as you well know Ducati is owned by Audi and the next Pani will probably have tiptronic shifting as well..

The whole point of the paddle shifter -car or bike- is 1. it speeds up the shifting process and 2. you can stay more focused at driving instead clutching, shifting and therefore move your feet, arms. Especially on a bike (for example doing the ¼ mile strip) your balance -keep your feet steady on the pegs- is very important.

Ofcourse the technique behind it is interesting as well.. part of the hobby.

Yep, I get it on a competitive vehicle that has a clutch in a competitive environment. What I don't get is how any of that applies to sedans, SUV's and just about every other general commuter vehicle that has an automatic transmission and paddle shifters which seems like just about every car on the road at leas where I live. I see 4 door Audi's, BMW's, Mercedes etc with loud exhausts downshifting an automatic transmission equipped vehicle at every stop and turn. What the hell has happened to people. Im fairly confident you don't need any of the listed benefits performance shifting brings in a 35 mph residential district where most of these jackwagons want to race their starter 3 series. I get some of this stuff in EU where you actually have places you can drive a performance car or bike. Here in the states the "wanna be a race car driver" has gotten a bit out of hand.

endodoc said:

Yep, I get it on a competitive vehicle that has a clutch in a competitive environment. What I don't get is how any of that applies to sedans, SUV's and just about every other general commuter vehicle that has an automatic transmission and paddle shifters which seems like just about every car on the road at leas where I live. I see 4 door Audi's, BMW's, Mercedes etc with loud exhausts downshifting an automatic transmission equipped vehicle at every stop and turn. What the hell has happened to people. Im fairly confident you don't need any of the listed benefits performance shifting brings in a 35 mph residential district where most of these jackwagons want to race their starter 3 series. I get some of this stuff in EU where you actually have places you can drive a performance car or bike. Here in the states the "wanna be a race car driver" has gotten a bit out of hand.

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I agree with you; what's the point of a state of the art tiptronic paddle shifter on a Toyota Prius with a green label? Or a six speed syncho GT transmission at your wife's 9 person Voyager soccer mom vehicle?

But hey.. we own and drive two wheel Ferrari's!

How cool is that to have a clutchless tiptronic 6 speed bullet that sets your hair on fire? (and mind you.. I live on a island that is only 39 mile long.. haha)

are the load setting/pressure points adjustable?

TurboLag said:

are the load setting/pressure points adjustable?

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About everything is adjustable and tons of software settings can be adjusted. Check the description at the first page of this threat which I posted. A really cool feature is the pre adjustable automatic shift while holding the upshift button. The system will shift automatically when the pre entered and/or desired RPM is reached.

Just to clarify, that last answer was for the ProShift not the Translogic QS

Not interested in that ProShift PlayStation crap, what about the TL QS?

At the moment, no. That function would be in the ECU or would have to be modified somehow in say a Rapidbike set up. Rapidbike has the settings in the software but their QS is bi directional. Someone could probably figure out how to rig something. Yea I dont get the ProShift deal. The video shows a guy banging through gears in rapid succession in a fashion that is not realistic to how you would shift a bike through the RPM range even in a race configuration. Even on the fastest spinning motors, a quality QS and functioning foot are going to be able to easily keep pace with the rev range. I totally get it on a car with a manually shifted gearbox as the lever throw and clutch are much more "manual" than the bike. This TL setup is as fast as anyone could ever use on a bike. Again I actually use the clutch a lot. Im not banging through gears at every stoplight like the guy who didnt get "Mustang Madness" out of his system at 18. I am going to play around with the TL power shifter for some other projects as you can retain the shift lever. Andy at TL is awesome and has been a huge asset for me in figuring some things out. Cant go wrong with that company

endodoc said:

At the moment, no. That function would be in the ECU or would have to be modified somehow in say a Rapidbike set up. Rapidbike has the settings in the software but their QS is bi directional. Someone could probably figure out how to rig something. Yea I dont get the ProShift deal. The video shows a guy banging through gears in rapid succession in a fashion that is not realistic to how you would shift a bike through the RPM range even in a race configuration. Even on the fastest spinning motors, a quality QS and functioning foot are going to be able to easily keep pace with the rev range. I totally get it on a car with a manually shifted gearbox as the lever throw and clutch are much more "manual" than the bike. This TL setup is as fast as anyone could ever use on a bike. Again I actually use the clutch a lot. Im not banging through gears at every stoplight like the guy who didnt get "Mustang Madness" out of his system at 18. I am going to play around with the TL power shifter for some other projects as you can retain the shift lever. Andy at TL is awesome and has been a huge asset for me in figuring some things out. Cant go wrong with that company

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Yeah, really Playstation crap dude. Probably the mean reason why Raymond Roche mounted it on his Ducati. Of course he's not the Rossi and Lorenzo kind of driver you guys apparently are. He's just still in his 'Mustang Madness' age I guess, spending a lot of money for just banging through gears..

I think his point was, and I would have to agree that this thread started out about a practical, logical, engineered solution to an issue that some people would like to fix. The Pro-shift in no way, shape or form fits into this category. there is nothing wrong with the Proshift system. It is what it is but does it belong in this thread or offer a realistic alternative over a better QSfor 99.9% of the people who own a motorcycle? No. Its like having a thread on performance mods for your engine with things like an exhaust system, air filter, tuning module then someone post a pic of a direct port, twin bottle nitrous system. Sure you can do it but its really a bit outside the scope of reality considering the context. Raymond Roche has a "1199 CONCEPT BIKE". I would hardly consider this a recommendation platform for anything rational like a performance solution for a street bike and on the extreme side, I still have yet to see any rider in a sanctioned series using one of these so until that happens, the rational for a racing application is suspect as well. The Proshift is neat idea but I cannot see an application anywhere for this thing except for drag racing and this is probably the wrong forum for that. Now if you have a handicap that precludes you from normal gear shift operation, then my position would of course change and the rational would be justifiable.

I meant no insult in my comment and should have added a after it.
As long as your happy with it that's the main thing

I just mounted one up. Feels much more positive in terms of shifting even with standard rearsets. My biggest concern with the OEM switch was with auto-blip. If you didn't grab enough pedal during the shift you would trigger the switch, which would activate the auto-blip function but you never actually engaged the new gear, so the bike would surge and you'd be in the wrong gear.

I have a different challenge with my shifting habits on the downshift. I tend to keep the shift pedal somewhat loaded when downshifting quickly and I believe not completing the "make/break" cycle on the switch, and therefore, I don't always get a blip and resulting down-shift. I find myself having to deliberately raise my foot. Could be because of the pedal travel required as much as the OEM sensor I suppose, but it's clumsy feeling nonetheless compared to what I am used to. Any thoughts on an improvement with the TL sensor retrofit?

Scottm091 said:

I have a different challenge with my shifting habits on the downshift. I tend to keep the shift pedal somewhat loaded when downshifting quickly and I believe not completing the "make/break" cycle on the switch, and therefore, I don't always get a blip and resulting down-shift. I find myself having to deliberately raise my foot. Could be because of the pedal travel required as much as the OEM sensor I suppose, but it's clumsy feeling nonetheless compared to what I am used to. Any thoughts on an improvement with the TL sensor retrofit?

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Try changing the pedal position. It sounds like you run standard shift pattern. If your natural resting position is loading the shifter adjust the pedal downward.

The benefit with the TL QS sensor is there is no additional movement required to trigger the ignition cut/blip, all the motion will simply go towards mechanically changing the gear. Also the revised linkage allows you to change the pedal by simply turning the shift dos, so adjustment is faster and you can be more precise. One thing that you may have an issue with, depending on where the shift threshold is with the load cell if you tend to load the shifter is that you can still trigger the IC/AB although it is
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Likely to also result in a gear shift.

Thanks for the input - there is a high probability you are spot on. I am running std shift pattern. It's not an issue under normal in-town road riding conditions, but when the riding gets more spirited and I shift from purposefully "thinking" about the down-shift, to letting instinct take over my foot position likely changes and I am not unloading the pedal completely.