Not sure if I should get this 1199 race bike

speedy14 said:

Just a parking lot tip over on a Panigale can cost you over $2500 in bodywork. A hard crash that breaks the front end will just about total a bike... the fairing stay alone is about $1000.00 US dollars The airbox/subframe that mounts to the engine is over $2000 new. a lower triple clam that breaks the fairing stays is over $600.. NOTHING on a Panigale is cheap! All bikes cost to rebuild but most Jap bikes will take a lot more abuse in a tumble on the track and cost far less to repair..

Just saying if you drop one at the track expect to pay out your ... to repair it. Not a poor mans bike to race..

The dealer I purchased my bike from had a brand new 2015 899 wrecked by a girl out on a test ride ( she had a low speed get off because she hit some gravel in a turn) and it appears to just need some front bodywork and a handlebar) I looked at the bike and thought of making them an offer to build it up for the track.. However when I asked them about it they said it was totaled and it would cost more to get it back to running shape (even just for the track) than it was worth....

Like I said,, VERY expensive to rebuild...

Speedy

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Used fairing stays go for around 100 bucks on eBay and the new part is from Ducati 320 bucks. New aftermarket aluminum stays are around 250. Not sure where you got 1k from. A full set of track bodywork will set you back 5-700 bucks.

The numbers are big if you insist on having a Starbucks quality, pristine street bike. A track Panigale is significantly less of a financial headache than you're making it out to be. Anyone crashing so badly that frame damage is a routine concern probably needs to re-think their approach to track days.

speedy14 said:

Just a parking lot tip over on a Panigale can cost you over $2500 in bodywork. A hard crash that breaks the front end will just about total a bike... the fairing stay alone is about $1000.00 US dollars The airbox/subframe that mounts to the engine is over $2000 new. a lower triple clam that breaks the fairing stays is over $600.. NOTHING on a Panigale is cheap! All bikes cost to rebuild but most Jap bikes will take a lot more abuse in a tumble on the track and cost far less to repair..

Just saying if you drop one at the track expect to pay out your ... to repair it. Not a poor mans bike to race..

Like I said,, VERY expensive to rebuild...

Speedy

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Anybody that spends that much money to rebuild a Panigale is silly. Fairing stays can be had for $200, race bodywork can be had for $800.

If we are talking about bringing it to OEM state, sure it will be expensive. But who does that with a track bike?

BTrain5489 said:

Used fairing stays go for around 100 bucks on eBay and the new part is from Ducati 320 bucks. New aftermarket aluminum stays are around 250. Not sure where you got 1k from. A full set of track bodywork will set you back 5-700 bucks.

The numbers are big if you insist on having a Starbucks quality, pristine street bike. A track Panigale is significantly less of a financial headache than you're making it out to be. Anyone crashing so badly that frame damage is a routine concern probably needs to re-think their approach to track days.

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Well if you want to get on the Flea Bay and buy cheap chinese crap for your expensive bike go ahead..LOL

I'm going by the Ducati parts list the dealer quoted me... *Maybe they were trying to hit me up for more but I don't think so.. ** I don't want aftermarket cheap Chinese crap on my expensive bike (it is mainly a street bike..) I have over $28k in this thing (and never bought it strictly for a track bike in the first place) Of course I did put it on the track an couple of times but it was not intended for a strictly track bike...
After the crash I had, I replaced just the front headlight cowl, a right side upper panel and two tail pieces and the right side handlebar and it was $1980.00 US dollars ! and That was $400 cheaper than the Ducati parts book retail the local dealer would charge (* I was also saving the sales tax since it was from out of state) That was the very best price I could find anywhere ( for Original Ducati parts)
Do what you want, if you go to the track long enough you WILL crash.. (just run into a little coolant off another guys bike like I did ) No matter how good you are.. Just a little bad luck and you can go down.. THEN it gets REAL expensive. Regardless whether you have track bodywork on it or not. There is no frame to absorb the impact. Everything is either aluminumor titanium or magnesium etc. All not very forgiving when slammed into the ground at speed.. Anything that takes a hit like the front or rear section will break expensive crap.
Ducati parts are usually 45 to 60% more than the Jap stuff. It may sound like I don't like my 1299 S.. Nothing could be farther from the truth I love the bike but am VERY aggravated in its performance from day one, since I bought it until I spent another $5k for Official Ducati Slip-ons and an Rapidbike module etc..(and a huge amount of time with it in the shop also )etc. trying to get it running like it should have in the first place.. Hell, it is STILL not right yet,, the throttle still sticks on you when de accelerating down in first gear. But thanks to the Rapid Bike module it is at lest running smoother below 5000 RPM and not bucking like it is about to stall..** Of course it still dies on me once in a while ( evidently from what I have read, like a lot of Ducati's LOL) It is however the in my opinion the most beautiful bike out there and it has a lot of character and is fast enough for this old track rat!
Evidently I just got a bad one. But the bottom line is it has been WAAAY more expensive than I originally figured.

Also... Regarding your snarky comment about "crashing so badly that there is frame damage" You can do MAJOR damage even going slow (much less the speeds that most expert class riders go). The faster you go the better you have to be, and even then the very best riders crash. It is inevitable.
**I'm sure even a guy as expert a rider as you, cannot control how a bike bounces on the ground etc. once it is out of your hands.. LOL

To each his own..

Speedy

Nobody is talking about "cheap chinese crap". The parts i mentioned earlier were bought from Sportbike Track Gear. I just got finished prepping a 1299S from scratch, right out of the crate, and there wasnt a single eBay Chinese part used on the bike.

I was under the impression we were discussing track bikes, which is what this thread is about. If somebody spends $2,000 replacing body panel parts or a fairing stay or anything else on their track bike, i have no sympathy for them.

And who goes to the Dealer to get replacement parts for their track bike?

Sure, this sport is expensive. But in doing .... like that you are making it 5x worse for yourself.

Why must every thread get vomited on by speedy's incoherent ramblings about his throttle issues...?

Speedy I'd be too embarrassed to admit that I dropped $2k for a couple fairings and a handlebar. Did you have the dealer install them for you too?

Whats wrong with cheap chinese stuff from ebay?
My bike is littered with cheap chinese stuff from ebay, yet everyone stops and gaze at the duc saying its very pretty.
And it won races. I've got a trophy to prove it.
Damn right. With cheap chinese stuff.

But is it a nice trophy, or one of those cheap plastic Chinese knock offs ?

Seriously though, plenty folk use street bikes on track without any changes at all.
(I remove plate holder, mirrors and pull the headlight fuse. Nothing more.)
It would therefore be quite normal to reinstate back to as pristine as possible after an unfortunate off.
Whether you have a source of cheaper than dealer network OEM parts is a whole other question, but for many,
rebuilding their pride and joy with track quality panels etc is not an option to be considered.

Marmoot said:

Whats wrong with cheap chinese stuff from ebay?

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1. The QC standards are .... or non-existent in some cases. You never know what you are getting.
2. The materials used are often substandard.
3. It undermines the efforts and businesses of the quality vendors that support our sport.

If we are talking about some decals, or maybe a CF fender, sure. But if we are talking about levers, rearsets, braking components, sprockets, dampers, etc...there is no way I would put any of that Chinese eBay .... on my bikes.

BTW - there are numerous threads on other forums where guys have crashed due to failures of those cheapass eBay Chinese parts (especially the levers).

990Glen said:

rebuilding their pride and joy with track quality panels etc is not an option to be considered.

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Why not? If you're really willing to drop $2k to replace a couple fairings, why not spend that $2k proactively on a FULL set of "track quality" fairings that are stronger than OEM, have them painted beautifully in whatever scheme you want, and have piece of mind every time you're at the track? And have enough cash leftover for a nice bottle of Bourbon and a marginally priced hooker.

Then you can put the nice red OEM Ducati plastics back on the bike for your bike night with the bros in the Taco Bell parking lot.

derblott said:

Why not? If you're really willing to drop $2k to replace a couple fairings, why not spend that $2k proactively on a FULL set of "track quality" fairings that are stronger than OEM, have them painted beautifully in whatever scheme you want, and have piece of mind every time you're at the track? And have enough cash leftover for a nice bottle of Bourbon and a marginally priced hooker.

Then you can put the nice red OEM Ducati plastics back on the bike for your bike night with the bros in the Taco Bell parking lot.

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For me, that wouldnt be an option. As it stands its 30-40 mins stripping, take to track, get home, 1 hr max to put back to road, then ride to work next morning.
Stripping the bike completely to track trim would probably mean I would barely ride it on the road at all. Would rather keep all the money unspent until its needed, which may possibly be never. Not everyone stacks it on track days after all. More often or not its the folk who feel they have something to prove, which at just short of 50, I gave up on long ago.

990Glen said:

For me, that wouldnt be an option. As it stands its 30-40 mins stripping, take to track, get home, 1 hr max to put back to road, then ride to work next morning.
Stripping the bike completely to track trim would probably mean I would barely ride it on the road at all. Would rather keep all the money unspent until its needed, which may possibly be never. Not everyone stacks it on track days after all. More often or not its the folk who feel they have something to prove, which at just short of 50, I gave up on long ago.

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That's fair, it just depends on how much time you spend at the track, how you rely on your bike for commuting duty, and how much risk you're willing to take on at the track. My point, ultimately, is that there is IS an alternative to spending thousands on OEM parts for a typical low-side, and it's a pretty reasonable alternative depending on the criteria I mention above.

990Glen said:

But is it a nice trophy, or one of those cheap plastic Chinese knock offs ?

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Cheap ones. Local club is as broke as me.

Chaotic said:

1. The QC standards are .... or non-existent in some cases. You never know what you are getting.
2. The materials used are often substandard.
3. It undermines the efforts and businesses of the quality vendors that support our sport.

If we are talking about some decals, or maybe a CF fender, sure. But if we are talking about levers, rearsets, braking components, sprockets, dampers, etc...there is no way I would put any of that Chinese eBay .... on my bikes.

BTW - there are numerous threads on other forums where guys have crashed due to failures of those cheapass eBay Chinese parts (especially the levers).

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Nah, yep you'd be dumb to put Chinese brake components and driveline on your bike. That's is correct.

I do put cheap rearsets, but with local high tensile bolts replacement. Quality is very consistent, and the latest set has been on the bike for more than one year of track abuse.

Fairings are good so far. Have bought three sets and they are all beautiful.
They don't crash well though, but so are the OEM ones, as I've discovered.

Sorry to be a cheap arse. Pirelli tyres and trackday+race entries are not cheap,and that's where 2/3 of the money I've spent on this bike.

990Glen said:

For me, that wouldnt be an option. As it stands its 30-40 mins stripping, take to track, get home, 1 hr max to put back to road, then ride to work next morning.
Stripping the bike completely to track trim would probably mean I would barely ride it on the road at all. Would rather keep all the money unspent until its needed, which may possibly be never. Not everyone stacks it on track days after all. More often or not its the folk who feel they have something to prove, which at just short of 50, I gave up on long ago.

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There are companies that make street versions of their race bodywork.

And i know lots of people who put on race bodywork, then when it is time to ride on the street they mount a round LED headlight somewhere in the front. Ive seen guys on the street on their race bikes (number plates and all), with a little light mounted on top of the fairing beside the windscreen.

Chaotic said:

There are companies that make street versions of their race bodywork.

And i know lots of people who put on race bodywork, then when it is time to ride on the street they mount a round LED headlight somewhere in the front. Ive seen guys on the street on their race bikes (number plates and all), with a little light mounted on top of the fairing beside the windscreen.

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I did this exact thing on my R6 for about a year because I missed street for whatever reason... at that point in time I still rode mix street track tires so I didn't have to swap wheels (I would have done it if I had option)

used a gopro mirror mount and put a small but bright LED foglight, then dropped my undertail and plugged up the fender eliminator. done.. total switch time 10 mins once I figured it all out

If you want a track only bike and it has to be a Panigale, I'd buy a used 1199 and convert it.
I'm converting my 2012 1199S to full track bike this winter after doing nothing but track days all summer (15) and riding my speed triple on the street.
I've got to say, the bike is in its element on the track and I love the way it's purpose-built performance shines through during a track day. Although, it does make one a target for every squid out there. The key to surviving the squids is emotional intelligence - letting the squids do what they do so you don't get caught up in a situation that results in a crash.
My advice, don't by this race bike. If you want a Panigale track bike, buy a used Panigale, get an extended warranty and have fun at the track.

Chaotic said:

Anybody that spends that much money to rebuild a Panigale is silly. Fairing stays can be had for $200, race bodywork can be had for $800.

If we are talking about bringing it to OEM state, sure it will be expensive. But who does that with a track bike?

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So let me get this straight,,,, if you had a brand new Ducati Panigale and had over $30K invested you would put aftermarket parts back on it? LOL Well I didn't want to go cheap on my bike... Like I said the best price I could get was $1900 for the original Factory Ducati parts..

My bike was NOT bought as a track only bike. The bike was mainly bought to ride on the street. **I just could not resist the temptation to take it on the track a few times.. (I gambled that it would not go down and I lost) That being said, I don't want some "aftermarket" crap on my $30K bike
It would be different if I had bought the bike for the track only.. Then again I would not have paid that much for a "Track bike" Now THAT would be silly.
That is just my opinion, Others with really deep pockets may not consider that a problem.. But we are talking about a guy that has to take the bike apart put race body on it (then after the track day, put it back together again and use it to ride to work also) then that is NOT a good idea to put it on the track also.. Not if he depends on it for transportation..

Like I said earlier If you ride on a track long enough you WILL go down.. it is just part of the equation. It doesn't matter how good a rider you are because there are a lot of other factors that can come into play that will cause you to go down like other (not so good) riders, bad track conditions like loose gravel, oil or coolant that was suddenly spilled on the track in front of you. Other riders that have more testosterone than common sense (or riding skill). Every time any of us get on a motorcycle we take a calculated risk be it street or track riding.. However at the track we have a lot more chances of crashes because usually everyone out there is trying to go faster.
.... happens!

If you are depending on your bike for transportation to work then you should really think twice about tracking it also.

Speedy

speedy ya missed the point... chris is talking about it being a track only bike... NOT a street AND track bike... if it was a street bike mainly then sure OEM parts... Track only aftermarket parts all day!

speedy14 said:

So let me get this straight,,,, if you had a brand new Ducati Panigale and had over $30K invested you would put aftermarket parts back on it? LOL Well I didn't want to go cheap on my bike...

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Yes. You have got that straight. I have a brand new Panigale and did just that. And I can assure you, nothing is cheap on my bike.

You have got it all wrong. Aftermarket does not = cheap. You do realize that more times than not, aftermarket stuff is BETTER than OEM, right? Most of the time stock = cheap.

While Ducati is better than some other manufacturers when it comes to skimping out on parts, the OEMs look for ways to cut costs whenever they can. That is why they have their own OEM variant of tires. Look at the end of almost all sportbike tires and you will see a letter like "BT-018f" or "Supercorsa SP" or something like that. Those extra letters denote the OEM variant, which aren't as good as the same ones you get aftermarket.

As a matter of fact, as soon as my 1299S came out of the crate, before it was going to be on the track, they removed the OEM rearsets, levers, battery, exhaust, chain, sprockets, clip-ons, grips, air filter and fairing stay and swapped them for aftermarket because aftermarket is better. Not to mention changing lots of bolts, all the fluids etc.

On other bikes in addition to that stuff I changed on the 1299S, I will also change the wheels, rotors, brake pads and brake lines, Master Cylinder, subframe, clutch, rear shock, fork internals, Triples and damper. Not to mention extensive motor work.

For some reason you have this idea that OEM is good and aftermarket is cheap. Your way of thinking is backwards. Ducati parts are expensive because they ....... rip everyone off with this "exotic premium". But I can assure you, they are not better. Expensive doesn't = better.