Not sure if I should get this 1199 race bike

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wilkson said:
Exactly . People just assume going to track is just about cutting laps but part of the fun for me at least is what I'm riding .
Using that mentality we should just sell our Ducatis and buy GSXR. Not that there is anything wrong with GSXRs

but it will do the job at half the price .
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I agree, and the reason I got the 899 other than a Jap bike.
I have had plenty of them in the past and never a bad bike have I had, but I laughed in my helmet the first time I took out the 996, and that is why I bought the 899. I actually think I preferred my 996, but that might be clouded over time as I have not had it for years. But I was sold on the twin.
When buying this bike I considered the Aprilia as well, but learnt the twin had gone for a V4 so did not bother to test it. I did test the MV F3 for its looks alone and it sounded great! but I did not like it a whole lot in the 15 min I was on it.
 
i ll be the last to put you off.. but if budget is an issue, don't buy a trackbike.. just because of you get only a tad to what that bike can do, it will eat right through any budget...

on these bikes, in numbers, there is no such thing as 'minor damage' ... it s only minor of major in comparison to other crashes ... :)

unfortunatly, to me, this is not from hear-say... :)
 
wilkson said:
Exactly . People just assume going to track is just about cutting laps but part of the fun for me at least is what I'm riding .
Using that mentality we should just sell our Ducatis and buy GSXR. Not that there is anything wrong with GSXRs

but it will do the job at half the price .
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That is a valid point.

If the motor and the electronics were bone stock, it would be a different story. I wouldn't hesitate on getting the bike if it was stock (which would also mean it would be a lot cheaper). This 1199 is something that will be very fast, but could likely also be a nightmare to keep up with (maintenance, software, engine rebuilds, etc). Especially when you consider the amount of laps that are done in a typical track day weekend. You can/will burn through the normal service interval on a race motor quickly.

It is a pretty big investment (time, money, potential headache) for something that isn't going to be used in competition.

You also have to consider that because it is basically a "parts bike", it will be almost impossible to sell second hand. And because it is a parts bike, there is no way it warrants an almost $30k price tag in my opinion...regardless of what parts are on it.

But as always, that is just my opinion. Others may vary. :)
 
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Don't let your age be an issue because it isn't. An 1199 will fare much better in the hands of seasoned 43 yr old than 21! I started trackdays with an 1199R at the age of 58 and we did fine.
 
This has to be one of the hardest questions to answer! Street bike? Yeah, great pose value at Starbucks/Squires(UK). Track bike? Such a good looking bike is gonna make you a target/hard to live up to (VR leathers etc) Race bike? Surely you'd want your own/ sponsors colour scheme? Resale value is a consideration. It will only ever be an 'off road' bike. Q plate in UK. Age? Not a problem. I'm 60 and ride my 1299s like I stole it! (Maybe I did?!)
 
I take my everyday 1299 to the track every thursday in the summer season. No doubt an older GSXR could have gone just as fast since I'm the limiting factor, but the Panigale is just different. I was shaking when I picked it up, and I'm still shaking and grinning from ear to ear every time I park it.

I'd buy a track only Panigale in a heartbeat if I could spare the cash for it..
 
buy a used 1199r and b done....(at ur current skillset it way more than u)..
 
AegirCD1 said:
I did see your crash video.
I am not worried about dropping the bike so much, that is not part of the budget and would be costly enough either way on the 899 or this 1199 and something I am prepared for. In fact it seems easier to get 1199 parts online.
What I was concerned about in terms of costs, are more the fact the engine has been worked and might not be as reliable as the standard motor and parts on this particular 1199 going wrong and needing repair or replacing such as the expensive electronics. To have it in the shop every month is the thing I am wanting to avoid, and my point on warranty would be if the engine had enough and gave up on the 899 for example, I would put the mirrors on and drop it off at the dealer to fix, as I am not ''racing it'' it is within the rules of warranty.
Those are the costs I would find hard, and my wife would make it so.
But I am thinking a might stick with the 899 for next year on the track then see what is what, maybe get a 1299 hand me down race bike by then.
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I have had my bike in the shop at least 10 times trying to get the issue of sticking throttle in first gear fixed They have even replaced the ECU and it still does it.. Next will be start replacing throttle bodies and throttle assembly etc. etc. till the whole damn motorcycle is brand new I guess.
It has been sticking since day one..IT wasn't as pronounced when I had gone down one tooth on the font sprocket because I would get through the 3500 to4500 rpm area quicker when de accelerating however since I went back to the stock gearing it is much more pronounced because of the taller gearing... Even the mechanic at the Ducati shop has ridden it and says it is a little scary.. I am used to it.. I just pull in the clutch a little and it settles down but if you are not expecting it and go into a turn in first gear and cut the throttle (and expect it to let off) you are going to have a tight sphincter moment LOL..
Especially when it stays at about 3000 rpm for about a second then SUDDENLY cuts out and the rpm drop down.. It really messes up the stability of the bike in a corner

Speedy
 
WERA Classifieds all day long 3.5k to 6k gets you a damn fine bike .
That already has suspension work,exhaust ,race bodywork,safety wired and so on......just saying.

Plus do you really wanna be "that guy" that shows up with a race preped Ducati that gets smoked by a 14 year old on a SV? :D

I mean 30k you could buy a used track bike, years worth of track time a trailer ,stands,tirewarmers, helmet,suit ......i mean a whole set up and have years worth of fun.
 
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It's an even trade, and you don't race. Just for trackdays right?

I say given that, may as well go for it. If it's been built right, it could be more reliable than stock. And who cares how fast or slow you are on a trackday? Ride whatever gives you the biggest boner. WSBK isn't going to come knocking on your door soon, so may as well enjoy it in whatever way makes you happy.

If you were racing, then I would say hunt down just about anything else until your skills are honed.
 
I think some of you are missing that this is $30k AUD.

Much different market.

Life is short, ride what you want.
 
DynastySS said:
I think some of you are missing that this is $30k AUD.

Much different market.

Life is short, ride what you want.
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I caught that, but his first post said it's an even trade for his 899.

The superstock electronics would worry me since pro teams have a ..... of a time with those.
 
BROsiah said:
WERA Classifieds all day long 3.5k to 6k gets you a damn fine bike .
That already has suspension work,exhaust ,race bodywork,safety wired and so on......just saying.

Plus do you really wanna be "that guy" that shows up with a race preped Ducati that gets smoked by a 14 year old on a SV? :D

I mean 30k you could buy a used track bike, years worth of track time a trailer ,stands,tirewarmers, helmet,suit ......i mean a whole set up and have years worth of fun.
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shipping to Australia might be up there....
 
You will never see/feel the potential of the 899 or 1199 until you put in on the track. That's where the bike is meant to live.

I'm converting my 1199R over now to full track duty.:)
 
shakazulu12 said:
I caught that, but his first post said it's an even trade for his 899.

The superstock electronics would worry me since pro teams have a ..... of a time with those.
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One of my main concerns as well as the engine reliability.
After the discussion here I decided to track my 899 and keep it road going as well for the time being. We have a couple of fairly short tracks here in Perth anyway and maybe for now the 899 is better suited. I just needed to hear some sense I suppose.
 
TurboLag said:
I take my everyday 1299 to the track every thursday in the summer season. No doubt an older GSXR could have gone just as fast since I'm the limiting factor, but the Panigale is just different. I was shaking when I picked it up, and I'm still shaking and grinning from ear to ear every time I park it.

I'd buy a track only Panigale in a heartbeat if I could spare the cash for it..
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At the end of the day, that is what it boils down to.

My previous comments were based on analyzing the situation and dealing with the facts logically (which is basically what my job entails).

But at the end of the day, you only live once and not every decision should be handled rationally and logically. Sometimes you should do something simply because it gives you a big cheesin' ... grin. :D

In other words, if you can afford it, and it will make you happy, then go for it. :)
 
Word from the wise..


Just make sure you install some type of tip over switch.. Unlike every other bike out there, the Ducati Panigale does NOT have any type of engine cut off if it falls over.. When mine fell on its side at the track, it ran at about 1700 rpm for over two minutes before it was turned off by a corner worker. (I was busy with a fractured right foot laying in the middle of the track) I got lucky.. I had an oil pressure and compression check done and it was OK but that could have easily wasted the motor..(It was laying on its right side..)

Speedy
 
BROsiah said:
WERA Classifieds all day long 3.5k to 6k gets you a damn fine bike .
That already has suspension work,exhaust ,race bodywork,safety wired and so on......just saying.

Plus do you really wanna be "that guy" that shows up with a race preped Ducati that gets smoked by a 14 year old on a SV? :D

I mean 30k you could buy a used track bike, years worth of track time a trailer ,stands,tirewarmers, helmet,suit ......i mean a whole set up and have years worth of fun.
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My previous track bike was a 2011 ZX10 (see Avatar picture) and it NEVER "got smoked" by kids on SV 650's LOL It was much faster than my new Ducati 1299S (at least the way the 1299S was running the first 4 months I had it) I had to spend another $4500 to $5k on exhaust and a Rapid Bike tuning module to get the 1299 to run correctly and get to more of its full potential... The ZX10 was fast right out of the box.. I wish I had kept it for track days.. Alas I sold it to help pay of the Ducati..

Speedy
 
Just a parking lot tip over on a Panigale can cost you over $2500 in bodywork. A hard crash that breaks the front end will just about total a bike... the fairing stay alone is about $1000.00 US dollars The airbox/subframe that mounts to the engine is over $2000 new. a lower triple clam that breaks the fairing stays is over $600.. NOTHING on a Panigale is cheap! All bikes cost to rebuild but most Jap bikes will take a lot more abuse in a tumble on the track and cost far less to repair..

Just saying if you drop one at the track expect to pay out your ... to repair it. Not a poor mans bike to race..

The dealer I purchased my bike from had a brand new 2015 899 wrecked by a girl out on a test ride ( she had a low speed get off because she hit some gravel in a turn) and it appears to just need some front bodywork and a handlebar) I looked at the bike and thought of making them an offer to build it up for the track.. However when I asked them about it they said it was totaled and it would cost more to get it back to running shape (even just for the track) than it was worth....

Like I said,, VERY expensive to rebuild...

Speedy
 

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