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SuperDomestique said:
You don’t have one?

I believe the Corse (not RS) swingarm part # is 370.1.231.1B. But that could be out of date. Good luck sourcing one and good luck installing it
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No, I'm interested in the catalogue for now.

Are you able to share it?
 
Alkhater said:
No, I'm interested in the catalogue for now.

Are you able to share it?
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I don’t have one. Curious what you’d do with it though? Best resources that I’ve found are motocorsa, forza moto. It would be cool to see these parts but not own. More museum pieces.
 
SuperDomestique said:
I don’t have one. Curious what you’d do with it though? Best resources that I’ve found are motocorsa, forza moto. It would be cool to see these parts but not own. More museum pieces.
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Out of curiosity to know what Ducati Corse thinks necessary to make these bikes competitive and not rely on third parties for them.

Many other reasons as well.

I’m also curious to know why a V4 owner wouldn’t want to have a look at an official corse catalog tbh.
 
Alkhater said:
Out of curiosity to know what Ducati Corse thinks necessary to make these bikes competitive and not rely on third parties for them.

Many other reasons as well.

I’m also curious to know why a V4 owner wouldn’t want to have a look at an official corse catalog tbh.
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A lot of the parts in the catalogue are third party, the radiator and oil cooler are made by MB radiator in Italy and you can only buy through corse, subframe is pierbon, fairings are fullsix, i would think 80% of the catalogue is outsourced but you can't buy direct from the manufacturer you have to go through Ducati corse so they can quadruple the price.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
A lot of the parts in the catalogue are third party, the radiator and oil cooler are made by MB radiator in Italy and you can only buy through corse, subframe is pierbon, fairings are fullsix, i would think 80% of the catalogue is outsourced but you can't buy direct from the manufacturer you have to go through Ducati corse so they can quadruple the price.
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Ok, that's interesting.

Thanks for the info 👍
 
Bruce Wayne said:
A lot of the parts in the catalogue are third party, the radiator and oil cooler are made by MB radiator in Italy and you can only buy through corse, subframe is pierbon, fairings are fullsix, i would think 80% of the catalogue is outsourced but you can't buy direct from the manufacturer you have to go through Ducati corse so they can quadruple the price.
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^^^which is ...... up.

But, I think quite a few parts on the V4 are sourced from other vendors. You can buy an exact 2020+ V4 frame less a VIN number from Italy, likely from the one actually making them.
 
Alkhater said:
Speaking of longer swing arms... isn't it about time a cheaper iteration of the WSBK swingarm made it to production?

If not on a production bike then at least as a DP part... though I'd hate to think what that would cost.
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Playing devil's advocate, why do you need a longer swingarm? What bike are you racing?
 
DucatiDetroit said:
Playing devil's advocate, why do you need a longer swingarm? What bike are you racing?
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I’m not saying I need it but if race teams use it then there’s potentially some benefit to amateurs using it as well. The benefit being added stability and less tendency to wheelie or lift the rear wheel.

I’m also not saying that it would make me a faster rider but it might make the bike easier to ride.

What I am saying is that the Ducati extended swing arm has been used for years in racing and usually these kind of developments make their way to production within one or two years. In this case it hasn’t, hence my question.

This is the Panigale V4 sub forum so that should answer your last question.
 
Adding length to the swingarm of your V4 will assist the bike in turning slower. I don't believe it will make your bike easier to ride. The RS bikes are running adjustable triple clamps to completely change the geometry based on the swingarm length, etc. They are also trying to maximize tire life for an absolute savage who is racing the bike.

While the Pierobon swinger is gorgeous, the reality is your bike handles better the way it sits. I asked what bike you were riding so I could possibly help you with suspension suggestions that will be much more beneficial than a longer swingarm. Do you feel like you need "added stability"? I feel like the V4 is plenty stable in stock trim. I also feel like the bike is not nearly as wheelie prone as the 1199/1299. Are you having trouble with front end lift? At what circuits and what sectors? Are you racing the bike, or doing track days?
 
The short answer like many of the esoteric "handling and braking" discussions on this board, is that a longer swingarm is a solution looking for a problem.

My experience is that the 22 V4 platform once it's set up properly for your weight and style is an outright weapon. When you are at the end of the bikes ability in a specific area then maybe swingarm length etc could be looked at.but that's a long way down the track for most people and just because its on an RS or you've seen it in WSBK doesnt mean it applies to you.
 
DucatiDetroit said:
Adding length to the swingarm of your V4 will assist the bike in turning slower. I don't believe it will make your bike easier to ride. The RS bikes are running adjustable triple clamps to completely change the geometry based on the swingarm length, etc. They are also trying to maximize tire life for an absolute savage who is racing the bike.

While the Pierobon swinger is gorgeous, the reality is your bike handles better the way it sits. I asked what bike you were riding so I could possibly help you with suspension suggestions that will be much more beneficial than a longer swingarm. Do you feel like you need "added stability"? I feel like the V4 is plenty stable in stock trim. I also feel like the bike is not nearly as wheelie prone as the 1199/1299. Are you having trouble with front end lift? At what circuits and what sectors? Are you racing the bike, or doing track days?
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Ah... pardon the initial response.

I ride a base '22 Pani V4 currently on FKR 115 inserts and TTX shock with the supplied 9.5 and 90 N/mm springs respectively.

I weigh approximately 150lbs with gear so I have 9 N/mm fork springs and 75, 80 N/mm shock springs to try.

Adjustable triples but on the factory 30mm offset.

I'll be riding at Lusail on TD tires mostly when the track opens as it's been undergoing some renovation.

With regards to stability... I generally feel that these bikes are small but I think that's mostly an ergonomic issue. Wheelies are somewhat of a concern in 2nd gear but DWC @ 2 does a pretty good job.

In fairness I need a lot more experience riding on track but have had limited access to it.
 
Paul G said:
The short answer like many of the esoteric "handling and braking" discussions on this board, is that a longer swingarm is a solution looking for a problem.

My experience is that the 22 V4 platform once it's set up properly for your weight and style is an outright weapon. When you are at the end of the bikes ability in a specific area then maybe swingarm length etc could be looked at.but that's a long way down the track for most people and just because its on an RS or you've seen it in WSBK doesnt mean it applies to you.
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I wholeheartedly agree.
 
I understood the ABS thread set the standard that we had to get to page 3 before we realised most of those posting didn't understand the functioning of the subject matter?
 

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