Quickshifter for 2013 1199 (want downshift capability)

Only time I ever had a shifter lever stick was when my aftermarket rearset had the interference problem. What do you mean by 'engine cutoff'? Please explain exactly what occurs. A stronger detent spring could never be a bad idea imho. I use the stock one, but false neutrals would probably be less of an issue given how hard I shift to avoid them. Also, when going through the gears, you say it has a problem at 4th. Is this up or down shifting? If it's down shifting, remember I have a different throttle blade curve, so off-throttle the engine is holding a slight (8% or so) open throttle, so down shifting is easier with less intervention by the blipper function.

Also, I had the same experience with 6_8. Could only use one loaded trim, which is why I reverted to 6_7. Sad that they have let it get this bad.
 
Only time I ever had a shifter lever stick was when my aftermarket rearset had the interference problem. What do you mean by 'engine cutoff'? Please explain exactly what occurs. A stronger detent spring could never be a bad idea imho. I use the stock one, but false neutrals would probably be less of an issue given how hard I shift to avoid them. Also, when going through the gears, you say it has a problem at 4th. Is this up or down shifting? If it's down shifting, remember I have a different throttle blade curve, so off-throttle the engine is holding a slight (8% or so) open throttle, so down shifting is easier with less intervention by the blipper function.

Also, I had the same experience with 6_8. Could only use one loaded trim, which is why I reverted to 6_7. Sad that they have let it get this bad.

I've had these same CNC Rearsets on the bike since 2019 so never an issue. My good bud that runs the shop at HVMC Ducati Dealer says the bushing on the gear selector arm that the QS rod attaches to could be worn and binds the QS. Easy enough to take apart and inspect that. I moved the foot shift lever by hand and don't see an issue with the return spring etc. Never an issue finding N or hitting false neutrals.

If you go back to watch the video I have labeled clips showing me starting in 1st gear at pitout to track and the engine power gets cut with the wide band red light on the dash coming on. I have to either throttle through it or roll off the throttle briefly until the bike power comes back to normal.

Your blip settings worked fine the little bit I tested on the street. Im really interested to truly test on the track hopefully August 30th (next planned track day) Tried reving high rpms and quickly going from 1st to 4th gears and back down. Only so fast I can go on the street. Quickly downshifting as well. Bike also has slicks and didn't warm the tires prior to. I slammed through them and was pretty aggressive. It didn't come up out of any gear but only way to truly know is to take on track a couple laps. Coming out of 2nd to 3rd and 3rd to 4th are the main culprits riding into an apex while engine braking and conjointly trail braking.
 
I've had these same CNC Rearsets on the bike since 2019 so never an issue. My good bud that runs the shop at HVMC Ducati Dealer says the bushing on the gear selector arm that the QS rod attaches to could be worn and binds the QS. Easy enough to take apart and inspect that. I moved the foot shift lever by hand and don't see an issue with the return spring etc. Never an issue finding N or hitting false neutrals.

If you go back to watch the video I have labeled clips showing me starting in 1st gear at pitout to track and the engine power gets cut with the wide band red light on the dash coming on. I have to either throttle through it or roll off the throttle briefly until the bike power comes back to normal.

Your blip settings worked fine the little bit I tested on the street. Im really interested to truly test on the track hopefully August 30th (next planned track day) Tried reving high rpms and quickly going from 1st to 4th gears and back down. Only so fast I can go on the street. Quickly downshifting as well. Bike also has slicks and didn't warm the tires prior to. I slammed through them and was pretty aggressive. It didn't come up out of any gear but only way to truly know is to take on track a couple laps. Coming out of 2nd to 3rd and 3rd to 4th are the main culprits riding into an apex while engine braking and conjointly trail braking.

Do you have the Launch Control box ticked in the Config Options menu? If so, it will limit 1st gear RPM pretty much every time you take off from a stop. Once you close throttle it thinks you are no longer launching and acts properly. It looks for Zero speed, a pulled in clutch, and fresh engagement of 1st gear to trigger the function. If you merely downshift to 1st, but are still rolling, the launch control isn't engaged so it behaves normally. Turn off the Launch Control, or set the RPM to about 9000 or so to alleviate that problem. Or...if you use the launch control for a Race Start, just soft pedal the bike or short shift to 2nd coming out of the Pits. Check in the Config Options for the Launch Control rpm settings. They should coincide to when the engine is refusing to accelerate further in 1st gear. Also, I went into the Tune settings and turned off my Kick Stand kill. I always pull in the clutch to start the engine, but sometimes the gear indicator sensor says it's in 2nd (probably should change the sensor... @%&%$$$$$$) and I warm up the bike on the kick stand. Eventually, after it's warm the sensor starts working properly and the problem goes away...right up until it's cold again. The plunger tip is probably worn. Otherwise it works properly.

Also, I changed out my shifter mechanism because it had some slop in it. I used a complete side plate assembly off a 959 with about 2000 miles on it. Direct swap across since the 959 is not much more than a reduced bore 1299 so a ton of parts swap across the 1199 and later series of designs. (even the new V2 still uses the 1199 Sachs rear shock, with different adjustment dials) The sloppiness went away and the shifting became much crisper. If you can use your fingers to move the shift shaft radially at all, the bushing is worn to the point it may start affecting your shift quality. I went to a ball-bearing foot lever just because the bushing was worn in the stock lever and it tended to flop. The bushing in the shifter shaft on the engine has the same problem, though it does have a second pivot point on the casing itself at the other end of the shaft, so things don't get totally wonky. Had the same thing with the bushing for the Brake lever as well, so swapping to an aftermarket rearset was a no-brainer.

Let me know if you get any 'surge' during the downshifts please. At higher rpm, above about 7000 for the DS, there might be a momentary surge in one of the 3-6 gears that I never truly got rid of. If it occurs, mark the rpm and gear selection, then go in and reduce your LEN options a little to get rid of it. Dropping them by about 8-10% should do the trick. It usually occurs when I am not hard on the brakes but just downshifting on a light decel. 4-3 I am thinking if my memory is working properly today. It could be that I'm not totally off the gas or that there is a braking parameter that makes things work better on hard braking vs soft.
 
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Do you have the Launch Control box ticked in the Config Options menu? If so, it will limit 1st gear RPM pretty much every time you take off from a stop. Once you close throttle it thinks you are no longer launching and acts properly. It looks for Zero speed, a pulled in clutch, and fresh engagement of 1st gear to trigger the function. If you merely downshift to 1st, but are still rolling, the launch control isn't engaged so it behaves normally. Turn off the Launch Control, or set the RPM to about 9000 or so to alleviate that problem. Or...if you use the launch control for a Race Start, just soft pedal the bike or short shift to 2nd coming out of the Pits. Check in the Config Options for the Launch Control rpm settings. They should coincide to when the engine is refusing to accelerate further in 1st gear. Also, I went into the Tune settings and turned off my Kick Stand kill. I always pull in the clutch to start the engine, but sometimes the gear indicator sensor says it's in 2nd (probably should change the sensor... @%&%$$$$$$) and I warm up the bike on the kick stand. Eventually, after it's warm the sensor starts working properly and the problem goes away...right up until it's cold again. The plunger tip is probably worn. Otherwise it works properly.

Also, I changed out my shifter mechanism because it had some slop in it. I used a complete side plate assembly off a 959 with about 2000 miles on it. Direct swap across since the 959 is not much more than a reduced bore 1299 so a ton of parts swap across the 1199 and later series of designs. (even the new V2 still uses the 1199 Sachs rear shock, with different adjustment dials) The sloppiness went away and the shifting became much crisper. If you can use your fingers to move the shift shaft radially at all, the bushing is worn to the point it may start affecting your shift quality. I went to a ball-bearing foot lever just because the bushing was worn in the stock lever and it tended to flop. The bushing in the shifter shaft on the engine has the same problem, though it does have a second pivot point on the casing itself at the other end of the shaft, so things don't get totally wonky. Had the same thing with the bushing for the Brake lever as well, so swapping to an aftermarket rearset was a no-brainer.

Let me know if you get any 'surge' during the downshifts please. At higher rpm, above about 7000 for the DS, there might be a momentary surge in one of the 3-6 gears that I never truly got rid of. If it occurs, mark the rpm and gear selection, then go in and reduce your LEN options a little to get rid of it. Dropping them by about 8-10% should do the trick. It usually occurs when I am not hard on the brakes but just downshifting on a light decel. 4-3 I am thinking if my memory is working properly today. It could be that I'm not totally off the gas or that there is a braking parameter that makes things work better on hard braking vs soft.

SheikH - I want to sincerely thank you and owe a tremendous amount of gratitude for all your guidance on my issues. If you hadn't stepped in here, I would have abondoned TB for my 1199 weeks ago. This is coming from someone that actually knew it but not as well as you do obviously. So many guys leaned on me for handling their TB installs and upgrades but there is lots to know! It's just so unfortunate Wayne's support is pretty much non existent. This same bud of mine that is at HVMC, owned a European bike repair shop for years and made a $10,000 investment for Wayne's open product and license support and needless to say that business relationship did not end well exactly because of what I am going through now.

So back on my issues, I do have launch control enabled. See attached for my config settings snapshot. What you mentioned makes sense now thinking further so will try your suggestions. Change Launch RPM Limit to 9000 correct? I may just disable as I don't really use. Hopefully that remedies that engine cutoff issue. If your blip settings end up not resolving my other main and more serious issue, then I have to disable TB to totally rule out a bike mechanical issue and use the clutch a couple sessions on track. Then once that is determined and if it isn't mechanical then I may have to go to the BSD blipper. Keep you further posted.

So you can disable the sidestand kill on the bike using TuneEdit? Can you tell me where and how to do that? I tried looking in there and couldn't locate just using TuneEdit to open our 6_7 Tune and Cruise file. I see fan and rev limit adjustments but not that. Funny story, I added a CNC Racing carbon fiber sidestand and when on track the magnet embedded on it that communicates with the sidestand sensor fell off and when I went to go out in the following session, putting in first gear the bike shuts off. I luckily found the tiny magnet stuck elsewhere on the bike so got lucky when I was running it found a way to hold on LOL. I tapped it back onto the side stand and it's still tapped on there now LOL. Tried gluing once and came off again and once again I got lucky for it to attach itself elsewhere and I found. Bike vibrations very high. So would be good for me to actually disable the sidestand sensor for track use.

I have to still get to looking at the bushing but won't get a chance until end of the month. I leave for vacation with the family this Saturday so won't be around for a couple weeks.

Thank you,

Jay
 

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Concerning your launch control setup. It will hold you at 4500 for .1 second then allow an increase of about 3300 rpm per second from the point of release from 4500 and for 1/2-5 seconds, or until you hit redline or shift. your maximum torque is going to be at about 9200 rpm and max hP at about 10,200-10,500. I'd advise raising your launch rpm to about 6500, which is still far enough away from max torque to give you a bit of 'hands-on' modulation, adjust your rate to a flat 3500, since you will be shifting 1-2 at about 2 seconds after clutch release, and change the launch lock time to .2 seconds to allow it to get going and then continue to accelerate. If the front wheel comes up, you can slow that rate if you like, or adjust your throttle curve in the Tune mapping in 1st gear to tone down the FT curve. I have mine set to about 78% at 9,000-11,000 and the ramp basically set to keep a smooth throttle curve, and the entire Map is massaged to reflect this. (see attachment.) This allows good acceleration in 1st without lifting the front end, and will help your hole shot without having to feather the clutch too much. I CAN pop the front tire off the ground if I make a mistake with the clutch, around 6000 rpm or so, since there's just so much torque, but that's with a sudden clutch release and the suspension not already loaded.

Just remember to soft pedal your pit lane departures and short shift to 2nd before hitting the track and the launch control should not be an issue in the future.

The side stand kill is in the Options menu of the Tune program Just click it to enable.

As for your engine cutoff issue. It's just a tiny tick of cutoff, right? That can be caused by merely brushing the shift lever the wrong direction, making the program think you are trying to shift. I dangle my toe WELL away from the shifter or put it on the peg when I'm not shifting, to avoid that from happening. I had to retrain my left foot to stay AWAY from the blasted lever. Check the length of the toe pad on your lever. If it's pretty long, you might consider shortening it, then making SURE your foot is against the lever when shifting. That's another thing I did. The pad is merely a round hard rubber piece with ribs and a screw going through it from the other end, so I cut some off at one of the ribs. It looks like it came that way, but man was it a problem when I first got it. kept nudging the silly thing until I cut it off. Now it's fine. Can't say how it will work with racing boots on, but for lighter boots with shift pads on the toe it's fine.

One thing to remember . .when gluing ANYTHING to CF. grind the CF and drill some small holes in the attachment spot, then use JB Weld (Kwik is fine, be sure to use extra hardener). I advise 1/16-3/32 holes, 3-4 of them, so the glue can penetrate through the CF, and rough the magnet with 100 grit paper on the bottom AND sides, and make sure the JB overlaps the sides.
 

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@Electronut Jay - let us know if this resolved your shifting issues?

I had to cancel my trackday on Friday the 30th. I have Sept 8th and 9th booked and have to further test @Sheikh 's blip values. I hope I can figure this out and keep Tuneboy. They have pretty much abandoned me and were no help. Also stuck me on a new strain gauge QS as I was trying to remove all factors that could be causing this. I have to rule out if it's the bike causing or not too and manually use clutch on the track which sucks having to do that. Also have to try disengaging the QS and launch control functions altogether.
 
Keep us posted and wishing you best of luck. We'll help you get there for sure but just take it one issue at a time 😀
 
I had to cancel my trackday on Friday the 30th. I have Sept 8th and 9th booked and have to further test @Sheikh 's blip values. I hope I can figure this out and keep Tuneboy. They have pretty much abandoned me and were no help. Also stuck me on a new strain gauge QS as I was trying to remove all factors that could be causing this. I have to rule out if it's the bike causing or not too and manually use clutch on the track which sucks having to do that. Also have to try disengaging the QS and launch control functions altogether.

Hope it all went well, anything to report?
 
Hope it all went well, anything to report?

Hey brother. Your blip values worked exceptionally well when I tested at the track on September 8th. Definitely an improvement in the shifting response and function. Unfortunately it didn't resolve the coming out of gear issue upon downshift. I feel at this point it's trans related and need to take the left side of the case apart to check everything. Hopefully it's something minor and not something deep inside the motor and the gearing. Hoping it's just the shift selector arm, return spring, detent arm (right side of case) or something along those lines that's out of whack. Bummer - but I don't see it being Tuneboy. It doesn't equate.
 
Hey brother. Your blip values worked exceptionally well when I tested at the track on September 8th. Definitely an improvement in the shifting response and function. Unfortunately it didn't resolve the coming out of gear issue upon downshift. I feel at this point it's trans related and need to take the left side of the case apart to check everything. Hopefully it's something minor and not something deep inside the motor and the gearing. Hoping it's just the shift selector arm, return spring, detent arm (right side of case) or something along those lines that's out of whack. Bummer - but I don't see it being Tuneboy. It doesn't equate.

Bummer is right. Hope you get it worked out. Please keep us apprised.
 

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