Raaid Bike Auto-Adaptivity feature setting

After much head scratching was wondering why after 500 miles there were no values in the software tables for my auto-adaptivity feature (all zeroes), then realised it comes set to start recording at 6000 rpm. Rapid Bike told my UK distributor that this is because at lower RPM, this AA feature may enrich the fuel AF ratio which can trigger a warning light on the dash, hence why they set it to 6000 rpm, which would explain why mine read all zeroes. Still running the bike in, hence why I have not exceeded 6000.

Has anyone else heard of this? Seems strange that so many people comment on the smoother running at low RPM (presumably sub-6000). Is this then not at an RPM level where the RB is having no effect on the stock ECU and that it only corrects at 6000 upwards (if set to this threshold in the software) or does it work at all RPM and the AA feature only stores a trim map to be applied (via the laptop) to permanently set higher RPM AF ratios? Any comments would be appreciated.

ironically, i noticed something like this too with my RB race module.

I took a screen shot of the tables in the RB software when I installed it as a baseline.

600 miles later, I plugged my laptop back in to see what changed in the tables and to my surprise, not a single cell changed

i'm convinced that the smoother running is a placebo effect!

This is a good topic. I have the RB (R) Does it work? How the F do I know. Here is what I do know. I bought the BR quick plug that allows you to bypass the RB. We tried it on two 1199s with the RB EVO installed. Without telling the rider if the RB was hooked up or not I asked for feedback on general parameters. Neither rider said they could tell any difference. We all know the power that perception has on cost justification. Look at the post's we have seen using verbiage like "amazing" to describe the performance benefit of $100.00 wort of Ti bolts. Im sure the RB is a great system and I am sure it works fantastic for some and I guess it depends on what it is for and how it is set up. Anytime you have a "set it and forget it" situation you will inevitably at times, ponder the situation.

timwu12 said:

ironically, i noticed something like this too with my RB race module.

I took a screen shot of the tables in the RB software when I installed it as a baseline.

600 miles later, I plugged my laptop back in to see what changed in the tables and to my surprise, not a single cell changed

i'm convinced that the smoother running is a placebo effect!

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It doesn't modify the base map. Go to the "Auto Adaptivity" tab to see what modifications have been made.

topolino said:

After much head scratching was wondering why after 500 miles there were no values in the software tables for my auto-adaptivity feature (all zeroes), then realised it comes set to start recording at 6000 rpm.

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Weird...mine says it starts @ 2400. The closed loop function (O2) sensors don't even work above 5k RPM.

I have the EVO and the charts for my two cylinders in the midrange look completely different. For ex. one is -7 and the other is +7 at %30 throttle. I dont really know if its working well persay, but what i do know is it runs better than the baseline map so I just stick with it for now. At some point I plan on getting it to a dyno and also getting a custom mapping done just for my own peace of mind.

Well, I have just booked a meeting with a tech from Rapidbike , who has access to a dyno. I have been having problems with my bike stalling on the grid , suddenly the weather has become cold here and it was the last race meet for the season. I suspect that the bike is running to lean below xxxrpm . So I rang the distributor from whom i purchased the module and it happens that the tech from Italy is currently working at his shop. Here has been sent to Australia to generate more sales. So , we had a long conversation on the phone and he said he would prefer to see the bike on the dyno. Turns out my wife and I many years ago lived only a few kms from his home in Italy, (I think we are going to get on really well)! Trouble is its only a 12 hour ferry trip and 24500 km away. The ironic thing is we had already booked the drive , bike in the back , a superbike school , getting the bike set up by a couple of guys I know, (BH and TB) , have a race weekend booked all in a stones throw from our friends house where we are staying. Queensland winter 24 degrees , should be good.
Got a bit side tracked there, should be interesting having a Rapidbike tech who specialises in the Panigale range tune my bike on a dyno. I'll keep you posted on the outcome...middle of June.

Thanks for the feedback so far guys. Keep it coming. Apparently Rapidbike (Dimsport SpA) have set or at least recommend you set the AA feature to kick in at 6K. If only to avoid possible warning lights on the dash. Seems a bit of a cop out as the system has the potential to work at as low as 2000 Rpm. However if as has been said the stock O2 sensors don't work below 5K then maybe that's the limiting factor. Not sure whether wideband sensors would improve on the RB module's capabilities but I'm sure someone can chime in here.

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I don't doubt it improves things, but the auto adaptivity feature is throwing some weird values.

Like below for instance. +12 is the maximum...but it really doesn't jive w/ any of the surrounding values.

Slowdive2 said:

It doesn't modify the base map. Go to the "Auto Adaptivity" tab to see what modifications have been made.



Weird...mine says it starts @ 2400. The closed loop function (O2) sensors don't even work above 5k RPM.

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Same as mine (RB race for 1199, Full termi). only changes the adaptive maps unless to "apply" them and save the map. mine is also set to work above 2400rpm but that is something you can change in the passivity map tab. I have the bypass thingy, feeling is day and night in terms of smoothness. I haven't paid attention to the lower RPMs but is very obvious in the mid-high RPMs

I believe Leon (Ljuice) installed wide band O2 sensors on his race bike.

cmh210 said:

I believe Leon (Ljuice) installed wide band O2 sensors on his race bike.

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I have the same system installed that Leon had. We did a side by side with the stock o2's and I could definitely tell a difference. I keep an eye on my AFR while riding and have no complaints. Honestly, I wouldn't install the Race module without the wide bands. You don't have a true auto tune without them.

The stock ECU map AFAICT is remapped twice...


w/o having a dyno handy, I'd like to experiment but I'm not sure if the best way is to try different base trim maps or to adjust the parameters of the auto adaptivity settings.

Changing the trim map seems like the easiest way to quickly switch back and forth, but the auto adaptivity will try to adapt to the trim map and it takes some time for it to do that.

I wish there was a way to store the trim map w/ it's associated adaptivity map (@ some point in time) so it was easy to go back and forth.

Plug n play is great...but your always wondering if it could be better. I think the fueling is much improved, but sometimes on decel thru 5k RPM or around corners I still getting bucked around a little. It's possible that's the nature of a large displacement L twin superbike...but I bet I could tweak it to be better.

Rogue said:

I have the same system installed that Leon had. We did a side by side with the stock o2's and I could definitely tell a difference. I keep an eye on my AFR while riding and have no complaints. Honestly, I wouldn't install the Race module without the wide bands. You don't have a true auto tune without them.

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Is that the wide band sensor in the header next to the original ?

Calderara di Reno said:

Is that the wide band sensor in the header next to the original ?

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Yes. We tried them on the OEM header before installing the full Akra. The Akra comes ready to go for wide bands with an adapter for the OEM narrow bands.

Were you able to source the widebands from somewhere or did you have to buy the ones that RB sells due to the plug?

Is installing the wideband plug and play or will the RB need to be configured somehow?


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I sourced everything directly from RB.

Race Module: RapidBike Racing with adaptive tuning for DUCATI motorcycles | Rapid Bike adaptive fuel injection tuning for all sport bikes.

Wide Bands/My Tuning Modules x2: My Tuning Bike: CAN-BUS auto tuning module | Rapid Bike adaptive fuel injection tuning for all sport bikes.

You Tune: You Tune | Rapid Bike adaptive fuel injection tuning for all sport bikes.

You won't have to configure the RB but you will have to flash your stock ECU to disable the OEM o2's I ended up having to get a Rexxer flash.

You won't have to configure the RB but you will have to flash your stock ECU to disable the OEM o2's I ended up having to get a Rexxer flash.[/QUOTE]

Is that to run the wide band sensors?

I believe in the program you can alter the AF target that the adaptivity is aiming for . I'm not changing mine until the RB tech checks it out . He says there are huge gains to be had above auto adapt mode.

Calderara di Reno said:

You won't have to configure the RB but you will have to flash your stock ECU to disable the OEM o2's I ended up having to get a Rexxer flash.

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Is that to run the wide band sensors?

I believe in the program you can alter the AF target that the adaptivity is aiming for . I'm not changing mine until the RB tech checks it out . He says there are huge gains to be had above auto adapt mode.[/QUOTE]

Your CEL will stay on unless you flash the ECU and disable the OEM o2's.

I can lock in 13.1 (or any AFR for that matter) on the You Tune without ever plugging in a laptop. I still choose to keep it in the auto mode. This is after trying both on a dyno.

Rogue. I'm putting the bike on the Dyno Saturday night. I have all the pieces you recommend (in addition to the RB race which is already on it)and we're going to tinker with it. Unfortunately I made the mistake of not taking the time to learn and understand this part of the build. I'm hoping to learn a lot watching the process.

Your CEL will stay on unless you flash the ECU and disable the OEM o2's.

What is CEL ?

You are disabling the OEM O2's because you have fitted wide band ?