Rear Tooth sprocket question. Why are some guys going up 4 teeth

Don14R said:

How does center of gravity effect a bike in a turn tho? I have no idea

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Weird, I just watched this too. Will someone verify the maths?

Don14R said:

bfd

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It is a BFD!

the trick is to vomit yer meals into the toilet instead of, you know.. digesting them

couldn’t imagine going through and rebuilding a brand new bike with all super lightweight equipment and having it perform poorly. I guess there’s a balance but it truly would be terrible to ruin a perfect bike. It performs so well right out of the crate

I do like the idea of light sprockets, chain, wheels and rotors, CF seat SubFrame, CF headlight fairing stay and a lightweight pilot

At what are all yer Ducs weighing in??? How abt yer Daytona’s, R1s & R6s? And dare I ask about yer S1000RR, and how abt their pilot? When are weigh ins?

Here's what I got, it's all true.
Ducati actually raised the height of some weight in the CG on the new Panigale stating it was improving handling. That is hard to wrap my head around. There are a great number of variables in play some of which have little science to prove outright when in combination with all elements. That is to say, there is still a little "magic," in motorcycling eg. how a GP bike gets past 60° lean angle for example. Should be impossible by some physics.

There is the big force, centrifugal force, Center of Gravity exponentially increases the effect of centrifugal force, which is why leaning way off your bike dragging knee helps so much.
...Ah I think I just answered my own question.
SO: Weight in the correct position on a tipped bike in a curved vector, will put that weight INSIDE the turn, decreasing exponentially the effect of centrifugal force (pushing the bike outwards in the curve) and increase the effect of centripetal force (opposite, pushing the mass inside the curve) therefor creating a greater overall ability for traction in curved vectors.
Then there's gyroscopic force coming from all rotational mass: Wheels, flywheel, axles, engine parts. This is why turning right used to be more sucky than turning left and also why you counter steer bikes, how they stand up so magically when applying pressure on the bars in a deep lean goes balls out fast. This is why Ducati started spinning some parts clockwise and some counterclockwise to nullify this force.
I'm pretty sure "Unsprung weight" has the biggest effect of the combination of these two, what I think Don14R was calling “below the suspension."

Aerodynamics is a big one, Ducati was first to make aerodynamic fairlings and first to put wings on bikes in motogp, someday they'll get to cornering downforce like F1 has, which is why F1 breaking distance is 6 TIMES LESS THAN MotoGP's breaking distance at Mugello after the front straight. I think DucatiKev was pointing that out in his astute example of dew point relative to air pressure. I'd only seen that brought up in golf before. Headspin.

What else makes performance handling?
Tire magic: Friction + Adhesion= traction Other factors?
Red makes you go faster everyone says.
Thoughts?

Don14R said:

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Every pound lost “below the suspension” equals almost 10 pounds above
So while maybe ti exhaust or a magnesium axle adjuster are not that big of a deal to everyone - wheels, carriers, chains and stuff like that very well could be
Those concerned with performance that is...

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Yep.

Also: Wheel weight is also 'rolling weight' - as acceleration / deceleration momentum is amplified, besides the mentioned gyroscopic force. So wheel weight, as pointed out by Don14R, is a kind of triple factor in performance.

dont forget RED

DucatiKev said:

It is a BFD!

the trick is to vomit yer meals into the toilet instead of, you know.. digesting them

couldn’t imagine going through and rebuilding a brand new bike with all super lightweight equipment and having it perform poorly. I guess there’s a balance but it truly would be terrible to ruin a perfect bike. It performs so well right out of the crate

I do like the idea of light sprockets, chain, wheels and rotors, CF seat SubFrame, CF headlight fairing stay and a lightweight pilot

At what are all yer Ducs weighing in??? How abt yer Daytona’s, R1s & R6s? And dare I ask about yer S1000RR, and how abt their pilot? When are weigh ins?

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395 pounds with full tank

Cha mf ching

show us yer bike, that’s awesome!

Keith197 said:

395 pounds with full tank

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Don14 is gonna post some pics of his custom build.

I am assuming it's gonna have a extended swingarm like yours?

Tons of pics up on Ducati Modified of these bikes in all forms.

DucatiKev said:

show us yer bike, that’s awesome!

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Mick1976 said:

Don14 is gonna post some pics of his custom build.

I am assuming it's gonna have a extended swingarm like yours?

Tons of pics up on Ducati Modified of these bikes in all forms.

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Mine does NOT have extended SA, looks kinda like it tho, adds to the stunning visuals of this bike

r u a member on the forum for the sensitive ppl

Yeah the extended swingarm is a nice addition to the folks that like decorations.

Not many sensitive folks on here but shitting on the parade is becoming more popular.

DucatiKev said:

Mine does NOT have extended SA, looks kinda like it tho, adds to the stunning visuals of this bike

r u a member on the forum for the sensitive ppl

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If youre going to extend the swingarm you best know what you want, as far as I know the only people doing that on a ducati are those who race. I love my std bike, it rides like god now that the suspension is dialed in. Dukes used to have long swingarms and they handled like a bus but that was in the 70s and 80s

Paul G said:

If youre going to extend the swingarm you best know what you want...

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I want mine spinning the rear and lifting the front while exiting corner in 4th gear

It’s kinda exciting when it does it in 3rd (80 or 90mph) but imagine doing it in 4th at a buck twenty...