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shakazulu12 said:
Just joined and trolling? Not that it matters, but I've been a member quite a while.

Facts are facts, you can call their tech support as well. I was merely pointing out an incorrect statement. I have no vested interest either way, though I do enjoy learning about new products etc.
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well I love you then.
 
whats really throwing me off is why this thread was moved. I see so much senseless .... in the 1199 section that stays around, Bmw vs 1199, How to patch a tire... But an actual good product and discussion is moved to the review section of the site. Something of value apparently is not good enough to stay on the main viewed section of the site. SMH.. Apologies MR shakazula shake your rump.
 
Lol, no worries man. My intention was not to badmouth the Rapidbike module at all, in fact from a technical standpoint I think it's a far superior solution to a PCV simply due to not having to buy all those damn modules, the ignition mapping (HUGE), and the fact that nearly everyone I know who has used the PCV autotuner on track has ended up disconnecting it due to the issue I mentioned previously. I do think it's the way mapping is going to have to be done in the future, especially with more bike moving to ride by wire.

If they have a module for Aprilia, Yturan needs to get with those guys asap, because they have needed a product like this for the past four years and there currently isn't one available.
 
shakazulu12 said:
I'm sorry, but again you are describing the Bazzaz setup. The PCV does indeed trim automatically. Again, it's why club racers are leery of that setup because the sensors fail and typically throw out a really lean signal. Which results in some really crazy ECU trims which can get really ugly. The bazzaz setup is safer in that instance because you have to accept the trims before they are applied. Otherwise you run the risk of not knowing it added +25 to your fuel.
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Very interesting, thanks for sharing. When I get the Rapid Bike Race module, once I've got the bike tuned by running on the track or on the backroads, I'll see if I can turn off the auto mapping until I make any mods or go to another altitude/climate. I can see how that could be potentially catastrophic if an O2 sensor goes bad and somehow reads rich and the system cuts too much fuel resulting in a dangerously lean condition. The converse would lead to fouled plugs which would just be a major annoyance. Worst case would be engine damage that could conceivably be proven to be the fault of the unit, voiding any subsequential warranty claims.

I'm sure the chances of that happening are relatively slim, but I don't want to be "that guy".
 
I'm thinking it's more due to the quality of sensors included in the PCV kit. All just IMHO. It's not like the technology is new, so it's likely that another company kit would be fine.

Again, this is also from my observations for track/race use. Which is a reason the rapidbike is interesting to me because of the advantage that potentially exists when playing with ignition timing on race gas and motors with compression bumped slightly.
 
Do any tuning solutions incorporate a knock sensor to retard timing or cut fuel to prevent detonation (pre-ignition)?
 
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YTURAN said:
And of course I am not arguing with any one here but, PCV AUTO TUNE is a dala logger, the trim map that it creates has to be manualy excepted via usb cable with the computer. Trim map is not applied to the base map automatically. again we sell all of these great products and install+tune. They all work great in general.

and on the Pani with dual Auto tune , how are you managing the O2 sensors, I am just curious ?
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ROFLMAO. If you are not arguing with anybody here I would like to know what you are doing? Demonstrating your superior knowledge (I am of course not being sarcastic, but simply curious)?

I stand by my point that the PCV with autotune can do real time afr adjustments to a motorcycle. We are apparently speaking to different people at Dynojet. I am prepared to admit that if you do not do intensive research on this matter you will probably think that it can not do real time afr adjustments.

The management of the two wide band lamda sensors installed in the Dragon Lady's Termignoni exhaust manifolds is done by the AT 300 dual channel autotune model available at Dynojet and supplied for use on the Ducati Panigale.

If you want to I can arrange that Dynojet updates you on their products available and the capacities thereof? I am of course just trying to be helpful. :cool:
 

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Claymore said:
ROFLMAO. If you are not arguing with anybody here I would like to know what you are doing? Demonstrating your superior knowledge (I am of course not being sarcastic, but simply curious)?

I stand by my point that the PCV with autotune can do real time afr adjustments to a motorcycle. We are apparently speaking to different people at Dynojet. I am prepared to admit that if you do not do intensive research on this matter you will probably think that it can not do real time afr adjustments.

The management of the two wide band lamda sensors installed in the Dragon Lady's Termignoni exhaust manifolds is done by the AT 300 dual channel autotune model available at Dynojet and supplied for use on the Ducati Panigale.

If you want to I can arrange that Dynojet updates you on their products available and the capacities thereof? I am of course just trying to be helpful. :cool:
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I love how you named your bike Clay. The dragon lady! Thumbs up
 
Sunshine, thanks for the review...was at Melillimoto today and gonna put the Rapidbike on my Panigale.
 
Just ordered my akra exhaust and leaning towards rapid bike as my "tune" mostly because redline/rexxer has left a terrible taste in my mouth (which is pretty bad considering they are my local dealer) and would like to have nothing to do with them, keep us informed of how everything is working out
 
Do you have any dyno's of the PCV autotune kit...would like to see the power curve. I currently have Rexxer flash, its decent, but always looking at the next big thing.
 
blinkme2028 said:
Do you have any dyno's of the PCV autotune kit...would like to see the power curve. I currently have Rexxer flash, its decent, but always looking at the next big thing.
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Here is the dyno results (please bare in mind it was done at about 1 600 meters above sea level). The 170 hp run was when I had the standard manifold with the CW's pipe installed and the 176 hp run is when I put my full Termis back (both systems had/have the pcv with autotune. :cool:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/rpzsktk04nl1dhj/Dragon Lady Dyno29Apri14.jpg
 

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JeffD said:
Very interesting, thanks for sharing. When I get the Rapid Bike Race module, once I've got the bike tuned by running on the track or on the backroads, I'll see if I can turn off the auto mapping until I make any mods or go to another altitude/climate. I can see how that could be potentially catastrophic if an O2 sensor goes bad and somehow reads rich and the system cuts too much fuel resulting in a dangerously lean condition. The converse would lead to fouled plugs which would just be a major annoyance. Worst case would be engine damage that could conceivably be proven to be the fault of the unit, voiding any subsequential warranty claims.

I'm sure the chances of that happening are relatively slim, but I don't want to be "that guy".
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I just had the RapidBike Racing module installed at Cycle Pro. I haven't had much time on the bike yet, but so far it appears to be a good decision. As for the possible consequences of a bad O2 sensor, it's probably a non-issue if you narrow the adjustment range after the map is more or less set. Right now I have mine programmed for a min/max of -10/+10. So once I get some time on the bike and the numbers start to populate, I'll accept the changes and reset the numbers so it can continue tuning. But eventually those numbers should stop changing very much, right? If so, that's the time to narrow the range so that even if the O2 sensor(s) fail, there could only be a very small adjustment to the afr.
 
JeffD said:
I also learned that you don't need the wideband O2 sensors (which would require an ECU reflash to bypass the OEM O2 sensors, another $500), that the Rapid Bike folks are quite proud that the OEM O2 sensors provide enough data, albeit a bit slower than wideband O2s, to effectively tune the system in real time.
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What’s the Difference?

Wide Band
•Shows Actual Air/Fuel ratio.
•Precise display of ratio on the rich side of “stoichiometric”, which is where all performance engines run. Usually displays Air /Fuel ratio to the second decimal place.
•Useful for maximizing power from race and other performance engines.
•Fully temperature compensated.
•Higher cost.

Narrow Band
•Shows indication of rich vs lean.
•Usually has very “coarse” display of ratio on the rich side of “stoichiometric. Some units only have 2 LEDs for the entire rich range!
•Really only useful for making sure your engine is not running on the lean side.
•Usually not temperature compensated, so the same air/fuel condition in the motor will result in an indication on the meter that will vary depending on sensor temperature.
•Low cost.

Bottom Line:
If you are a builder or tuner of performance engines who needs to maximize performance of the engines you work with, then you need to be measuring Air/Fuel ratio with a wide band meter.
If you simply want an indication that you are rich or lean to make sure you are not going to burn the motor up, you can get by with a narrow band meter.

(borrowed from Competition Data Systems)

Only my two cents worth.
(I have a Dynojet PCV with Autotune and two wide band lamdas)

:D
 
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Megalomaniac said:
I just had the RapidBike Racing module installed at Cycle Pro. I haven't had much time on the bike yet, but so far it appears to be a good decision. As for the possible consequences of a bad O2 sensor, it's probably a non-issue if you narrow the adjustment range after the map is more or less set. Right now I have mine programmed for a min/max of -10/+10. So once I get some time on the bike and the numbers start to populate, I'll accept the changes and reset the numbers so it can continue tuning. But eventually those numbers should stop changing very much, right? If so, that's the time to

Will you be taking the R or HP4 to the track any time soon?
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