Some track day prep questions

bp_SFV4 said:

Do you even open your own jars or do you need a properly built man to do it?

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Are you offering?

Relax, bp. You’re literally playing to the stereotype

In the interests of keeping this thread up-to-date…

Pierobon rear subframe fitted with forum assistance. I’m pleased with how it’s turned out, love the look and it’s nice to see more of the engine!



The new AiM ECU-L data logger has been installed - basically like a Solo 2 DL without the screen. It fits very neatly into the tail unit. I used a roof-mount GPS and incorporated it into the cover. Easy to access, aside from the key being a pain to get into the lock in the lower tail unit due to the Akrapovic…





Three days at Brno this weekend and I’ll be getting some more tuition, then back there again two weeks later with more intensive tuition (full-time instructor all day, every day, usually shared between two or three riders), so hopefully I’ll be getting my times down as I’m still not really seeing the same improvement that I’ve made at Most.

I’ve got nearly 2,600km on the bike now, with the first 950km being on road and the rest on track. I guess I should be doing an oil change. Maybe after this track weekend. I need to clean the brakes as well and I should do this before this track weekend.

At the previous track weekend I tried Race A (usually I use Race B). I had a bit of a rear wheel slide coming out of a turn - felt huge so probably several mm… I think Race A gives full power but I also think the power is restricted in first, perhaps different throttle mapping? I’m not really sure if the slide had anything to do with using Race A or it was the tyre, heavy-handed on the throttle, etc. Brno has a few little bumps as well. I need to have a look through the settings later and establish the exact differences between Race A and Race B. I’ve seen fast riders using both modes.

I’m loving this bike. For some reason I’m more attached to it than I am to the SP2, which I really should get around to making an effort to sell as it’s not really needed.

I don't think any of the ducati maps as delivered have full power in 1st. The software will allow both modulation of the power and engine braking so race B vs A might not be just about power delivery.

baggerman said:

I don't think any of the ducati maps as delivered have full power in 1st. The software will allow both modulation of the power and engine braking so race B vs A might not be just about power delivery.

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I seem to recall that the only difference in electronic assistance in the menus was a bit more wheelie control. I guess that might be connected with my recollection of Race A having full power.

I’m sure I’ve read somewhere that throttle control is different as well in Race A but I could be wrong.

I have EVO3 on the bike (the software update that they market for slicks and wets).

I need to RTFM and have a look at the dash.

Also consider year to year the default settings for the modes have changed. On the 2021, race A is the only mode that is engine high by default, the others are medium. Both give you full power, but medium is slower initially and ramps up the more you twist it.

From the owner's manual:



Earlier in the manual in the DWC section it says level 3 is default for Race A and Race B, but the above page from the same manual shows less wheelie control for Race A. From memory, the above table is correct.

Full power for the engine in Race A.

I read somewhere (I think on this forum) that Race A has slight more torque in the first three gears than Race B and I seem to recall reading somewhere that the throttle is more direct with EVO3.

IIRC, the Streetfighter has reduced power in the first 3 years, but the Panigale is full. I would think this is likely due to the gearing differences.

Full engine mode on your bike is all restrictions removed.

bp_SFV4 said:

IIRC, the Streetfighter has reduced power in the first 3 years, but the Panigale is full. I would think this is likely due to the gearing differences.

Full engine mode on your bike is all restrictions removed.

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I thought both Race modes had reduced torque in the first three gears, but slightly less reduction in Race A, regardless of using full engine power mode?

Don't think about riding mode mapping. You can change all that stuff anyway in the mode anyway. Each mode has three sets of ETV limiting maps, 1st, 2&3, 4,5,6. That's why these need gear indication to run. The engine power mode mapping (that low, medium, full power) that you pick are three demand maps for each power selection. These are the same no matter what riding mode you're in the. The riding mode ETV maps are the limiting maps. The limiting maps are just that. The demand maps are their bitch. From what I've read the latest software allows full power in the 2&3, and 4,5,6 maps. The original software was full power 4,5,6 only. The ability to change engine braking also exists in the ETV maps so the amount of engine braking is can be changed in each limiting map. Ducati's mapping is interesting in that on part throttle they are adjusting the torque delivered as a function of throttle opening vs rpm. So effectively the torque output is being kept fairly constant vs rpm. So say you open the throttle 50% and you're at 4000 rpm. At 4000 the map may allow the throttle to be at 70% but if you hold the throttle steady at that 50% and spin it up the mapping will be closing the throttle so at 9,000 rpm the actual throttle opening will be more like 35%.

baggerman said:

Don't think about riding mode mapping. You can change all that stuff anyway in the mode anyway. Each mode has three sets of ETV limiting maps, 1st, 2&3, 4,5,6. That's why these need gear indication to run. The engine power mode mapping (that low, medium, full power) that you pick are three demand maps for each power selection. These are the same no matter what riding mode you're in the. The riding mode ETV maps are the limiting maps. The limiting maps are just that. The demand maps are their bitch. From what I've read the latest software allows full power in the 2&3, and 4,5,6 maps. The original software was full power 4,5,6 only. The ability to change engine braking also exists in the ETV maps so the amount of engine braking is can be changed in each limiting map. Ducati's mapping is interesting in that on part throttle they are adjusting the torque delivered as a function of throttle opening vs rpm. So effectively the torque output is being kept fairly constant vs rpm. So say you open the throttle 50% and you're at 4000 rpm. At 4000 the map may allow the throttle to be at 70% but if you hold the throttle steady at that 50% and spin it up the mapping will be closing the throttle so at 9,000 rpm the actual throttle opening will be more like 35%.

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Clever stuff.

I was only really talking about rider modes as I'd experienced a rear slide in second gear on the power coming out of a turn in Race A and wondered if it was something in the settings that could have caused it. It wasn't a problem and felt remarkably controlled but I was curious about it having happened in Race A and never before. The only relevant setting would be the engine power as far as I can tell. It could of course have been any number of factors, from track surface to the tyre or just being a bit more aggressive on the throttle too early (although at my pace I'd highly doubt it).

Is there any detailed analysis of exactly what differences are in EVO3 or is it secret sauce? I searched and didn't seem to come up with much.

spooky said:

I thought both Race modes had reduced torque in the first three gears, but slightly less reduction in Race A, regardless of using full engine power mode?

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Not on the Panigale V4, only the Streetfighter V4 at least with my 2021. I haven’t read up on the 2022+ changes least of all what the Evo DTC add on changes.

Is the slide control setting the same on race a and b? I run mine at whatever the highest slide setting (most liberal) and the TC at 1. I found that below that i'd be putting in a steering correction and the traction control would be trailing the throttle. You'll get used to it stepping out on the drive. It's a steering input. Just like dragging the rear brake to tighten your line. The key thing on the drive is to understand when you need to stand it up and run it off before it spits you cause it's coming around too fast. Otherwise you can steer out of them. Thank god for muscle memory. These are really terrible bikes to learn to go fast on. Way too much motor.

bp_SFV4 said:

Not on the Panigale V4, only the Streetfighter V4 at least with my 2021. I haven’t read up on the 2022+ changes least of all what the Evo DTC add on changes.

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No early factory maps allowed full power in 1st. The SF maps (still I think) only allow full power in 4,5,6 both in race and sport mode. And from what I've read the latest Panigale revision only allows full power in the 2,3 map and above. My bike has full power in low but i'm running 16/36 gearing. I'd be wanting a really sticky rear to be thinking about picking up the drive with 15/42 and full power in 1st anywhere near the torque peak. Where's SD he must know the current state of the software.

baggerman said:

Is the slide control setting the same on race a and b? I run mine at whatever the highest slide setting (most liberal) and the TC at 1. I found that below that i'd be putting in a steering correction and the traction control would be trailing the throttle. You'll get used to it stepping out on the drive. It's a steering input. Just like dragging the rear brake to tighten your line. The key thing on the drive is to understand when you need to stand it up and run it off before it spits you cause it's coming around too fast. Otherwise you can steer out of them. Thank god for muscle memory. These are really terrible bikes to learn to go fast on. Way too much motor.

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DSC is the same in both modes - 2.

The slide control is dependent on the traction control setting so if they're the same it was all you getting more aggressive. The slide control allows the back to step out pretty far when the traction control is on a low setting.

When the rental van that you booked weeks ago turns up late and it has no hooks or anything to secure the bike and is not the van you booked, despite being entirely clear when ordering and having used them before and them knowing exactly what I need the van for, along with future business through the year… FFS. Sometimes the Czechs act like they are doing you a favour taking your money. Not even an apology.

First of three days on track will be missed because of these morons and the first night at the hotel to be paid for regardless. They have basically cost me a day on track and cost me about 400 Euros. I need to invest in my own van at some point so I’m not reliant on others actually providing what was booked.

Could be worse could be on a 22 m1000RRRRR THING


Another non warranty claim!

spooky said:

When the rental van that you booked weeks ago turns up late and it has no hooks or anything to secure the bike and is not the van you booked, despite being entirely clear when ordering and having used them before and them knowing exactly what I need the van for, along with future business through the year… FFS. Sometimes the Czechs act like they are doing you a favour taking your money. Not even an apology.

First of three days on track will be missed because of these morons and the first night at the hotel to be paid for regardless. They have basically cost me a day on track and cost me about 400 Euros. I need to invest in my own van at some point so I’m not reliant on others actually providing what was booked.

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Why didn't you pick up the van yourself

Blame culture….. youth of today!

panibadboy said:

Why didn't you pick up the van yourself

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What difference would that have made? Late arrival wasn’t the problem…