Some track day prep questions

Ducati Forum

Help Support Ducati Forum:

Now you're being deliberately annoying... 🤣

I've got 3 days at Most the weekend after this one and then back to Brno the following weekend. Those look like they are my last two events for this year. 🥺
 
The dealer has informed me that Ducati have told them that there was previously a problem with oil channels but this was resolved for the current models and therefore they have authorised replacement of the gasket.

No mention of what could have caused it and it seems they are simply going to deal with the symptom and not worry about the cause.

So, it will be fixed under warranty but I have no idea why it happened and if I want the dealer to tear things down fully and check everything then I’d need to pay for it. I would ideally have liked all the filters to be checked to see if they were clogged up with that gasket material.

The main thing of course is that it is fixed, but I do wonder if it is simply kicking underlying issues down the road. I have over three years of warranty remaining of course.
 
spooky said:
The dealer has informed me that Ducati have told them that there was previously a problem with oil channels but this was resolved for the current models and therefore they have authorised replacement of the gasket.

No mention of what could have caused it and it seems they are simply going to deal with the symptom and not worry about the cause.

So, it will be fixed under warranty but I have no idea why it happened and if I want the dealer to tear things down fully and check everything then I’d need to pay for it. I would ideally have liked all the filters to be checked to see if they were clogged up with that gasket material.

The main thing of course is that it is fixed, but I do wonder if it is simply kicking underlying issues down the road. I have over three years of warranty remaining of course.
Click to expand...

no problem = no fixing

even change the gasket is not really needed as it didnt fail. if it did, the whole engine side would be in oil
 
panibadboy said:
no problem = no fixing

even change the gasket is not really needed as it didnt fail. if it did, the whole engine side would be in oil
Click to expand...

Disagree - you are simply talking about degrees of failure. I think it is clear that the oil came from the gasket and it certainly did not look pristine. We are not talking about a flood of oil or even the noticeable drips I had from the seal on the sump on my SP2, but oil was escaping nonetheless.

As you say, and as I said, it is not a fix as the cause has not been established - it's pretty much a case of patch it up and hope for the best. Not great but it's Ducati's decision and if further issues arise then it's on them, as they are now aware of a problem and have decided simply to patch it up.

I have obviously made this point to the dealer - I expected the cause to be established and not for it to be simply put back together without figuring out the cause of the issue. 🙄
 
spooky said:
Disagree - you are simply talking about degrees of failure. I think it is clear that the oil came from the gasket and it certainly did not look pristine. We are not talking about a flood of oil or even the noticeable drips I had from the seal on the sump on my SP2, but oil was escaping nonetheless.

As you say, and as I said, it is not a fix as the cause has not been established - it's pretty much a case of patch it up and hope for the best. Not great but it's Ducati's decision and if further issues arise then it's on them, as they are now aware of a problem and have decided simply to patch it up.

I have obviously made this point to the dealer - I expected the cause to be established and not for it to be simply put back together without figuring out the cause of the issue. 🙄
Click to expand...

its not clear at all. as I said before sprinkles of oil like that is normal for V4R engine. There is absolutely no proof that oil came from that gasket thingie, as everything around it will be oily. You just never seen engine oil failures before.
 
panibadboy said:
its not clear at all. as I said before sprinkles of oil like that is normal for V4R engine. There is absolutely no proof that oil came from that gasket thingie, as everything around it will be oily. You just never seen engine oil failures before.
Click to expand...

The engine casing around that area had oil on it.. The area behind it had oil. The gasket on the other side looked perfect and there was no oil there. Obviously just coincidence.

I’m not really sure why you think it is perfectly okay for oil coming out of the engine. Ducati clearly agree, or they would not agree to fix it under warranty. Nonetheless, I would like to know why.

Sorry, but the the oil had to come from somewhere. The dealer and Ducati say it was from the gasket.

I do not view it as a big deal, but I’m old-fashioned and have the feeling that oil should stay in the engine.

I’m no expert, but I don’t recall this issue, which is similar to what I had with the SP2, happening with the old style of gasket.
 
spooky said:
The engine casing around that area had oil on it
Click to expand...

There is absolutely nothing below the gasket, totally dry.

Above - more looks like an overfill coming from airbox above.

Gasket is absolutely fine.

Make sure to ask dealer to tell you all spots they find oil at.

1000008362.jpg


1000008363.jpg
 
panibadboy said:
There is absolutely nothing below the gasket, totally dry.

Above - more looks like an overfill coming from airbox above.

Gasket is absolutely fine.

Make sure to ask dealer to tell you all spots they find oil at.

View attachment 56250

View attachment 56251
Click to expand...

There was oil on the back of the engine casing, on the silver part. And the gasket doesn’t look normal to me but what do I know. I was also moving… oil probably doesn’t fall down when moving. There was also oil behind the engine on a level lower than the gasket.

I’ve already said that I checked the oil before and it was on the lower markings - absolutely not overfilled.

I have no idea how you can look at that and say the gasket looks absolutely fine. The dealer and Ducati appear to disagree.

I am trying to get as much information as possible and I might even ride up there and have a chat with them if the engine is still open.
 
Apparently they have had a number of V4 with this same issue and doing the gasket seemed to solve it. Much like the gasket issue I had on the sump of my SP2. I’m not convinced about this liquid gasket…

He said that he’ll struggle to get it finished in time because he had not realised how much work was needed because it is supposed to have lots done at 2,500km for racing use… I had to point out that I am not racing the bike. He seems to have assumed I was racing, maybe due to the mods.

I’ll be interested to see if he agrees that slow track days are not racing use. Also interesting to note that none of the modifications stopped this being fixed under warranty.
 
It amazes me that you can sit at traffic lights, mince about at low speed in the sun… that’s fine🤷🏼‍♂️ but an average track rider that probably only rides in tge dry and warm weather, starts it warms it up rides it as it was meant stops lets it cool down .. and probably maintains it more than a road bike is more harmful🤷🏼‍♂️
 
Apparently, they are going to use a different gasket sealant. I have asked exactly what they are using. It must have been recommended and/or approved by Ducati.

Perhaps that indicates a potential issue with the liquid gasket that Ducati use or it might simply be an accepted alternative based on availability.
 
andyb said:
It amazes me that you can sit at traffic lights, mince about at low speed in the sun… that’s fine🤷🏼‍♂️ but an average track rider that probably only rides in tge dry and warm weather, starts it warms it up rides it as it was meant stops lets it cool down .. and probably maintains it more than a road bike is more harmful🤷🏼‍♂️
Click to expand...

I think he might have looked at the modifications and assumed you’d have to be an idiot to do that if you weren’t racing it… 🤷‍♂️😂

They are proceeding with the standard maintenance schedule now I have explained that it is not raced.
 
panibadboy said:
Right.

That's why you never go to random Ducati dealers.

Barni or the likes of JHP racing or Moto Rapido.

My German mechanic is servicing his V4R fleet (about 4 bikes) mainly at Barni.
Click to expand...

He simply made an assumption. I corrected his misunderstanding.

While it is under warranty I will stick with a dealer and this was not a random dealer – it was the dealer I bought the bike from.

Fixed under warranty and therefore no charge.

I’ll be interested to learn whether the different liquid gasket they are using is simply due to availability or if Ducati recognise an issue with the one they use. I don’t think it is a coincidence that I had the same issue on the sump on my SP2.

As they have the covers off the engine, I’ve asked them to check valve clearance. I’ll be interested to see if this needed to be adjusted.
 

Similar threads

V4Al
Securing to a trailer/van, and just track use in general
2 3
Replies
49
Views
1K
CSV4
C
E
Track Day Hand Numbness
Replies
12
Views
385
SuperDomestique
SuperDomestique
C
V4 base for track or better not
2
Replies
26
Views
1K
cruzin2
C
BP PanigaleV4S
California Superbike School - NCM Motorsports Park
Replies
15
Views
654
spooky
S
Vbreeze
MUGELLO TRACK DAYS - Info & group days
2 3
Replies
46
Views
4K
Vbreeze
Vbreeze

Register CTA

Register on Ducati Forum! This sidebar will go away, and you will see fewer ads.

Recent Discussions

Back
Top