Some track day prep questions

bp_SFV4 said:

Isn't that more of a hip thing? What panibadboy was writing about getting your foot on the end of the peg will make it easier to open your hip angle more. You want your foot to be at an angle similar to what your thigh would be when your hip angle is open at its widest position. If your foot is on the peg parallel with the centerline of the bike, it will be difficult to open your hip wide enough. Sit in a chair with your feet straight on the floor and see how far apart you can spread your knees. Now try with your feet at a 45 degree angle.

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I get that. As I said earlier, I tried it on the bike again and, no matter the angle of my foot, I cannot open my leg wider. Hip mobility is the primary issue. I’m sure that can be improved with some regular effort.

I’m not concerned about getting my knee down again for its own sake - I’ve seen very fast people that hardly do it and slower people that drag their knee everywhere. I’d like to have that reference point though as I think it will help. I suspect it will happen anyway with more corner speed / using more lean angle again, but there’s a significant physical limitation at the moment.

Current V4 tank doesn’t make it easy to get your butt off the seat. It’s too wide and doesn’t scallop enough as evidence by the tank change in 25

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bp_SFV4 said:

If your foot is on the peg parallel with the centerline of the bike, it will be difficult to open your hip wide enough.

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I was watching the WSBK and, because of his white boots, it was easy to see what Bautista was doing with his inside foot. He puts it up on the peg and it looks like he does what Corser taught - wedged into the join of the holder and peg, so it’s not flat on the peg but it’s not on the end of the peg.

I looked a bit more online and Jack Miller and many others do the same thing. He’s getting the leg angled out but doing it with the inside of his foot up against the bike on most occasions. When he wants to reach out with the knee he rolls his foot rather than turning it. I guess with these guys they want the inside foot completely out of the way considering how much lean they use.





I’ve noticed lots doing this. And plenty doing it the way Pani mentioned. There’s more than one way to skin a cat…

Of course, these boys have flexibility and core strength. Without that I guess the end of the peg into the outer side of the sole allows you to turn the foot rather than rolling it.

Sitting on the bike and trying both methods, getting the inside foot wedged in actually feels good - very stable and connected to the bike and I can get the knee out as far as I am able. I’m working on hip mobility and that’s the limiting factor.

I suspect that I’m only getting my foot on top of the peg and not up and wedged in fully, again due to hip mobility (on the problem right side it’s actually quite difficult to get the foot up high enough to easily put it in position). I could lower the pegs but if I can improve flexibility then I shouldn’t need to do that.

Hopefully I can manage to get on track somewhere reasonably warm over the off season - it’s horrible to think of not getting out on the bike again until May…

You can still do Mugello Nov 1-3

spooky said:

I was watching the WSBK and, because of his white boots, it was easy to see what Bautista was doing with his inside foot. He puts it up on the peg and it looks like he does what Corser taught - wedged into the join of the holder and peg, so it’s not flat on the peg but it’s not on the end of the peg.

I looked a bit more online and Jack Miller and many others do the same thing. He’s getting the leg angled out but doing it with the inside of his foot up against the bike on most occasions. When he wants to reach out with the knee he rolls his foot rather than turning it. I guess with these guys they want the inside foot completely out of the way considering how much lean they use.

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I’ve noticed lots doing this. And plenty doing it the way Pani mentioned. There’s more than one way to skin a cat…

Of course, these boys have flexibility and core strength. Without that I guess the end of the peg into the outer side of the sole allows you to turn the foot rather than rolling it.

Sitting on the bike and trying both methods, getting the inside foot wedged in actually feels good - very stable and connected to the bike and I can get the knee out as far as I am able. I’m working on hip mobility and that’s the limiting factor.

I suspect that I’m only getting my foot on top of the peg and not up and wedged in fully, again due to hip mobility (on the problem right side it’s actually quite difficult to get the foot up high enough to easily put it in position). I could lower the pegs but if I can improve flexibility then I shouldn’t need to do that.

Hopefully I can manage to get on track somewhere reasonably warm over the off season - it’s horrible to think of not getting out on the bike again until May…

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Can you do it any other way than off your toe? These bikes are hard to get very far inside of due to the tank width. The seat tank interface not so good. This is the one thing I've always struggled with on my V4 SF. I've fixed the geometry, the motor is quasi terrifying, the brakes are pretty awesome but I can't readily move around. On my twin superbikes when i'm riding fast I'm not really sitting. And the seats flat so you're just skimming your ass over the seat. On my V4 SF I can't consistently do this and I keep raising the pegs in an attempt to compensate. Baggers evil twin can spank bagger with baggers own 1198 or the 1098SF when it gets tight and technical.

baggerman said:

Can you do it any other way than off your toe? These bikes are hard to get very far inside of due to the tank width. The seat tank interface not so good. This is the one thing I've always struggled with on my V4 SF. I've fixed the geometry, the motor is quasi terrifying, the brakes are pretty awesome but I can't readily move around. On my twin superbikes when i'm riding fast I'm not really sitting. And the seats flat so you're just skimming your ass over the seat. On my V4 SF I can't consistently do this and I keep raising the pegs in an attempt to compensate. Baggers evil twin can spank bagger with baggers own 1198 or the 1098SF when it gets tight and technical.

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It’s primarily the right hip’s lack of mobility that’s the issue - there’s a huge difference between mobility in each side. And the right knee has less flexibility as well, making it harder to get up on the peg on that side. If I can improve flexibility then I expect I’ll be ok. A thinner tank wouldn’t hurt though.

There’s the option to change the bike or change the tank to improve ergonomics, but I still need to sort out the hip and knee flexibility regardless. A RADE tank looks like it could be good. They are local and I can probably sit on one and see what it’s like. No idea where I’d put the data logger though.

I’ll work on flexibility and if I can improve that I might feel that the bike is fine as it is, although a slimmer tank wouldn’t hurt.

@spooky have a look at the legs of Kyle




Some amazing racing here

Incredible racing!

I actually couldn’t spot anything with the legs? What was I looking for?

That was my local circuit for nearly all of my life - lived in Sevenoaks, about 15 minutes away, and remember going to watch Fogarty there with vast numbers of people. Good days.

spooky said:

I actually couldn’t spot anything with the legs? What was I looking for?

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Most of the times his outer leg is flapping especially on change of directions.

Kinda similar to Rea style.

Something new to learn!

panibadboy said:

Most of the times his outer leg is flapping especially on change of directions.

Kinda similar to Rea style.

Something new to learn!

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It makes me laugh when commentators say that Rea’s outer foot slipped off the peg when he does it multiple times in every race.

spooky said:

It makes me laugh when commentators say that Rea’s outer foot slipped off the peg when he does it multiple times in every race.

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yea I wonder why he does it as he isnt even short as Bautista who has never done it

they are insanely fast and on the limit




but if you think about it, most of BSB folks who wildcarded at WSBK are always at the end of the pack.

Don’t they ride without all the electronics that they have in WSBK?

spooky said:

Don’t they ride without all the electronics that they have in WSBK?

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Correct

I wonder how much of a factor that is.

spooky said:

I wonder how much of a factor that is.

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A lot of factor. Probably the hardest part of setting up a race bike.

BSB just does traction control in a different way. To say or affirm "they don't ride without all the electronics" is a huge misrepresentation of what's actually going on.

bp_SFV4 said:

BSB just does traction control in a different way. To say or affirm "they don't ride without all the electronics" is a huge misrepresentation of what's actually going on.

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yes you're right.
to be very precise they are not allowed to use electornics forming standalone control systems (such as ignition cut traction control or throttle blipper server motors) and all teams have standardized Motec ECU.

They are all over the data of what they allowed ofc

bp_SFV4 said:

BSB just does traction control in a different way. To say or affirm "they don't ride without all the electronics" is a huge misrepresentation of what's actually going on.

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You mean through mapping?

Obviously I meant without the active electronic rider aids, or maybe not obviously. That was my understanding, but if that’s not correct then I’m happy to be corrected.