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Kaido, it might, its worth trying. Adjust them up, and as I stated, on the balls of your feet, lift your but up, and see if you can balance without falling forward. When I ride, especially when racing except on a long straight, I never actually sit on the seat, only just touching it.Other than the initial bar input ("banging the bars") any steering adjustments I make in the corner are done with my feet, outer knee and the throttle, but more on that later. In a perfect world I can squat on my pegs and not fall forward, or do so minimally and carry the little forward weight with my forearm on the side of the tank.
I'll post another step of the BP equation later today. This really needs to be worked on one piece at a time, as its too hard to do all at once. I will post it all up, but dissect it, master a portion, and move on. The trick is to make BP muscle memory BEFORE you get fast, then you already have those tools stored.
Bjorgens, that pic is texbook awesome BP, you just have to get the ergos sorted an the Pani and get over the new bike apprehension. I had racebody, sliders, dented replacement tank and aftermarket clipons and was still nervous. Putting an amazing penske rear shock on (weakest thing on our bikes) and a low side got me over it :)


thanks, i jump on the bike today with the rear stand on. try the things you mention and noticed straight away that when i was sitting back off the tank and turning my ankle my knee was lock in on the tank!

Looking forward to giving it a try at the track :D
 
WOW! Thankyou so much for taking the time to write all that! I would greatly appreciate if you continue! If i live in US i definitely come to one of your sessions

I did what you suggested with the pegs position, i have move them forward (however i don't have much adjustment with the rimzoa rearsets) i am only 175cm (5.7ft) is it worth moving my rear sets up?

Kaido, you might consider flogging your Rizoma's and trying some Sato's; they can go 15-25mm forward of OEM and 5-35mm up from same. Just about all the other aftermarket ones seem to only offer positions that are back and up of the stockers.

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But definitely keep working on the BP; stay on the path you're on and you'll end up like this dude. F***ed for sure... ;)
 

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Last year, I spent as much time practicing bp on my rear stand as I did on the track. I had my wife watch help me get my butt off the seat while still keeping my shoulders square. It did get better but it's a work in progress.
 
Putting an amazing penske rear shock on (weakest thing on our bikes) and a low side got me over it

:)
Yeah... I just put K-Tech F&R on mine. Looking forward to feeling the difference. Penske definitely makes some nice stuff

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I'm running woodcraft and love them. Eric Wood knows Ducatis and designed them well.
Foot placement is often overlooked. Worked with a fast girl who was getting off the bike very square and head down, but was dragging her knee. I cut up under her on a long fast turn and discovered while she was on the ball of her foot, it was tight against the bike, and she was trying to swing her knee out pivoting at the ankle.you need to get the center of the ball of your foot on the end of the peg and rotate on them. If you look at the sole of a good racer's old boot , youll see a whole bored thru dead center of the ball area. Sidi makes a boot with a replaceable puck there.
 
I'm running woodcraft and love them. Eric Wood knows Ducatis and designed them well.
Foot placement is often overlooked. Worked with a fast girl who was getting off the bike very square and head down, but was dragging her knee. I cut up under her on a long fast turn and discovered while she was on the ball of her foot, it was tight against the bike, and she was trying to swing her knee out pivoting at the ankle.you need to get the center of the ball of your foot on the end of the peg and rotate on them. If you look at the sole of a good racer's old boot , youll see a whole bored thru dead center of the ball area. Sidi makes a boot with a replaceable puck there.

When you say rotate the ball of your foot, I'm thinking you mean to rotate your foot "out" so that the sole of your boot is no longer parallel to the peg - i.e.the peg is level while the sole of the boot is angled? I'm doing a .... job explaining it - maybe like you "roll" your foot off the end of the peg? Is your heel against the heel guard when you do so?
 
I don't know if it's just me but Troy and some of the other old school riders look so twisted in the corners... but are still damn fast.
 
It looks like I have a whole lot of work to do when I hit the track the end of May. The track I play on for the occassional track day (I only do 3-4 a year) is more of a 600 track. I can drag knees just fine, but I can still tell that my body is jarred up somewhere... I think I'm twisted up and although it has worked for years and years, I think this is my key to getting better as a rider, which has a direct lead into faster lap times.

With regards to seat position, if only I have $3500ish in my posket I'd get a tank just like Jake Holden is running on his AMA bike... That puts you back right where you should be positioned, IMO.
 
Mick Doohan was the most crossed up racer ever, but that is not an out for bad BP. All of that level riders are freaks of nature and are the top .001%. My reply is always "image how much faster thewy would be if they had good
BP?"
Avid, you are in Central NJ? We are at NJMP april 18/19/20, even if you don't actually do the trackday, why not stop out, hang and I'll show you some stuff in the paddock? or if you want to do the track day email me at [email protected] and I'll hook you up with a great deal as a first time TPM rider.
 
Mick Doohan was the most crossed up racer ever, but that is not an out for bad BP. All of that level riders are freaks of nature and are the top .001%. My reply is always "image how much faster thewy would be if they had good
BP?"
Avid, you are in Central NJ? We are at NJMP april 18/19/20, even if you don't actually do the trackday, why not stop out, hang and I'll show you some stuff in the paddock? or if you want to do the track day email me at [email protected] and I'll hook you up with a great deal as a first time TPM rider.
I am in Monroe Township. I ride with TPM. It's been a while since I have ridden with them though but I will take you up on your paddock offer! I will definitely let you know which day I am coming down!
 
Jarnold, I think I can give you some stuff that will help you, I was where you are now with BP. Give me a few days, I want to do this in steps, or it is overwhelming to learn. As far as that $3500 tank, if you adjust the ergos on your bike the way I mentioned, the next things I'm going to explain will have you where you belong on the bike without a radical tank. Get your seat flat and get the pegs where they need to be, and definitely stompgrip!
 
OK, so a few members asked for me to give some BP tips, so I decided I'd put it up here, if it helps anyone, great, if it doesn't help or you think I'm full of crap, I refund your admission. I'm a coach/instructor for TeamPromotion.com Ifanyone on this forum comes out to one of our days, look me up and we'll play/work a session or two.
I struggled for years with BP. I am also 54 yrs old and pretty busted up, actually been riding the last year with a 60% torn rotator cuff. In the process of getting my BP right, I found a good lesson plan. We all KNOW what we should do, getting there is the tuff part.Ghostdog hit the nail on the head, I tell students "I used to think I had Marc Marquez's BP until I looked at the pics, they looked like I was searching for my Mom in the grandstands.
For you guys with some trackdays under your belt, the first tip is the hardest. To get BP right you MUST slow down. If you are riding at 90 or 100%, you will NEVER change your BP. We lived long enough to grow up and buy ducs because our survival instinct kept us from doing something to kill us. If you approach a corner at your usual speed,no matter how much you want to get all motoGP and put your chin on your hand, you'll pull your head back over the windsheild where you feel safe, hell, it got you thru the last lap! Also, it looks like a different track down there. You need to spend a couple sessions going 60 or 70%. just a fast cruise.
Now, while getting off the bike properly allows the bike to use less lean angle, yada yada yada, its not my primary reason for getting BP right. Good BP brings awesome vision. First, the further you look down the track, the smoother your line will be, the better your situational awareness will be, and the SLOWER IT FEELS, allowing you to go faster comfortably. Next time you are on the highway, look out your drivers window straight down at the white dashes. seems like you are going 300 mph! That is what happens when you are "looking short". You dont need to look at the cones or curb, any more than you need to look at a curb when you take a right turn in the city.
I see many guys really reaching to get that knee down and their inside shoulder rotates forward, seriously cutting off their vision. My "end game" in my lessons is to ALWAYS have your shoulders square to the bike, regardless of how far off the bike you get. The biggest culprit in getting "crossed up" is being tight on the tank. This forces you to "pivot" your crotch on the tank, and that will rotate your torso forward on the inside. Sooooo, here is drill one. Put bike on syand or have some one hold it up square. First, put nuts against tank and try to slide one cheek off the seat and put your knee out, you will see what I am saying as you rotate. Now, get on the balls of your feet on the pegs. slide back so that there is 4" (fist length) between your crotch and the tank. Now lift up a bit and squarely put one cheek off, rotate your foot on the end of the peg, and turn your knee and foot out at the same time and amount. Practice this left and right. Half of your inner thigh should be dug in the tank. You will be surprised hoew the tank is shaped close to perfectly for this exact position. Don't worry about getting you head down yet, do this first. work on keeping yourself square, do not pivot. You are shifting squarely left or right. If anyone likes, I will continue this step by step.Tomorrow I will move on to explaining how to actually pull this off at the track. Pay attention and be willing to slow down and "go to school" and we'll get you that elbow draggin' pic for your profile pic!


My man! This was super helpful.

I was wondering, any tips you can give me when you see my bp? My initial thoughts is I need to drop my shoulder/head.

But after reading your post, I think my foot work might be wrong too. I concentrate getting on the balls of my feet and pivoting out, but I don't think I do enough since my heel is on my swing arm versus near the heel guard. I also wear a size 14 shoe and I feel like I am somewhat limited...

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Thanks!
 
I say heel guard just to explain direction, I have worn the paint off my swing arm too. I think I can help you, stay tuned, I want to do a little each day so it can be "digested". You have pretty good BP, but your inside shoulder is rolling forward,which restricts vision. I will post up a sure fire way to correct this in a few days
I mentioned njmp in April, I'll be in NC at NCBike the 21/22nd of this month if anyone wants to put in some work :)
 
I will take a pic tonight, but it will be off the bike, as I have the subframe off building a tubular race sub for it. I basically removed the cover and foam and started with new foam, shaving the underside of it so the top of the foam would stay smooth. I also have almost no foam where the back of the seat pitched up steeply, so that I had more room to slide back.Put a torpedo level on your seat, and measure how much you need to raise the front to make it level or close. Bring to an upholstery shop and have them rebuild it, will still be cheaper than race seat (which isn't bad position wise) the bike is raised in the rear due to the stand, but you still should be able to see how much flatter the seat is in respect to the bike. I can now sit back without sliding forward.

I took a similar approach with my YZF, and was considering this for the DUC. Where did you source the covering?
 
Kaido,

Imaging driving your inner elbow into the turn and relax your arms.
 
Kewl Avid, we will ride!
I actually just bought some of the material off eBay, search dirt bike gripper . There. Is a trade name, can't remember it. Local upholstery shop might have a small piece, and likely do whole job for $100ish?
 
Goboza,great observation , the inner elbow is an important part of all of this for many reasons. I'll get into a few of them in a few days. Will post up how to get off the tank and stay off when I get up in the morning, from a real computer instead of my phone :)
 

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