Supercorsa V4 (or V3) SC3 DOT tread

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Anyone have experience riding the Supercorsa V4 or V3 SC3 DOT treaded (aka TD) tires on track and street and how they compare to the SP V4/3? I do about 3-4 trackdays and 2-3000 mi street per year. I got about 2500 mi + 2 trackdays out of a SP rear. The replacement SP V4 has only managed 2 track days and about 300 mi. It probably only has one more trackday in it as I’m about 3/4 of the way to the corner wear bars. I still have the SP V3 front on that’s done 3 trackdays and 3000 mi and prob has 1 more in it.

So I’m wondering if there’s any benefit of going to the TD SC3 tires grip-wise vs SP V4? Is there more feeling? Or would you even be able to tell the difference?

I’m willing to take a hit on longevity as 2-3 trackdays seems to kill the edges before the center wears out. Allegedly the new SP V4 front has new cap and base construction (L) whatever that means and it also has SC3 compound at the edges. I guess the V3 was only a single compound and I’m not sure how soft or hard it is though I’d assume it’s harder than the SC3.

The TD tires are also about $125 cheaper than the SP V4 at $415 vs $540 per set.

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Ya, I'm also interested in this,

Anyone with experience of the above tyres.

And anyone who has tried pirelli rosso 4 corsa vs supercorsa sp v4. Thanks.
 
Im running the RC4's because they give a lot better mileage with practically the same grip for street especially in mixed conditions, the SC's are better for track with a sharper profile, .youll do a better lap on SC's but only if you are good enough to exploit them.
 
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Superquadro 1299 said:
Ya, I'm also interested in this,

Anyone with experience of the above tyres.

And anyone who has tried pirelli rosso 4 corsa vs supercorsa sp v4. Thanks.
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It tried RC2 on my old bike and they were great for a street tire. Seemed to last forever. On the track didn’t have much confidence especially when at high lean angles. But it looks like the R4C have now SC3 compound at the edge which probably helps.

I’m happy with the SPs. They seem predictable on track. I’ve pushed them to where the front slides and they let you know. They last long enough for the street. I’m just wondering whether it’s worth spending the extra money on SPs for the longevity on street (they have a high silica center strip) when the sides of the tires wear out first. And if the SC3 has even better feel and performance.

I’m a bit weary of how the SC3 would perform on the street especially at colder temps like on my Starbucks runs.

I think my plan will be to swap to SC3 next track day and if they’re sketchy on the road to swap them to SP for the winter.

As an aside, it looks like the SC3 V4 will be out mid Aug 2023 if anyone is looking to pick these up.
 
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Depends on your pace and riding style. I have used the TD on my 1199 and with track pressures it really worked well with my pace and suspension, both on street and track. The SP and Rosso Corsa have silica which lasts longer at slower pace and works in cooler conditions Those two are also thicker so they last longer but transmit more of the road to your seat.
If you are at track pace then silica has no place on your bike.
 
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airjawed said:
Depends on your pace and riding style. I have used the TD on my 1199 and with track pressures it really worked well with my pace and suspension, both on street and track. The SP and Rosso Corsa have silica which lasts longer at slower pace and works in cooler conditions Those two are also thicker so they last longer but transmit more of the road to your seat.
If you are at track pace then silica has no place on your bike.
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Thanks for the feedback. I’d say humbly that I’m probably at the top 1/4 of Inters. Not slow but definitely not fast. Definitely have a lot of work to do trying to figure out how to ride this bike comfortably fast.
 
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Hey SuperDomestique, concerning the tires here is my take as I have and currently have ridden on track recently with all those mentioned tires. For reference I am riding Panigale V4S in the experienced group and goto COTA or Eagles Canyon track probally 2 times a month.

Rosso 4 Corsa: Do not recommend this on the track. Great grip on the edge but when you transition to the center compound you loose grip to the point I would start sliding out the rear when transitioning from lean to driving out of a corner and bringing the bike up. I did 3 full sessions and all of them I thought I was going to high side as I transitioned the contact patch which is about 25-30 degrees lean. I confirmed this with my AIM solo DL that it was an abrupt loss of rear traction always about that same lean angle. Front under hard trail braking had a few moments I thought grip was going away but overall performed better than the rear. See the attached picture and you can see the big change in compound from the side to center. Note these are brand new tires, 50 street miles then 3 track sessions after which I promptly switched wheels to ones with SC3's on them. I have these tires for street riding.

Supercorsa SP vs SC3 TD both v3: The SC3 is a great track tire, unless you are in the fastest/race group will likely have a hard time out riding it and has the benefit of not needing tire warmers. Not going to provide the grip of SC3 slick but not to far off and definitely a step up from the SP tire which also I have found to be great on track just not the consistency of the TD. I have my traction control kicking in quite a bit more on the SP tire. As far as the street goes, the TD does not work if its not hot and does terrible with any water / oil not to mention you will flat spot the center in no time riding on the street.

If you want a tire that does both street and track it would be the supercorsa SP. The preferable option for me is to have several sets of wheels or just swap out tires like my buddy does and run a longer life street tire like the rosso 4 corsa and run SC3 TD or SC3 slicks on the track.

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Good report, on the RC 2s I had similar issues between compounds and it was easy to dig a trench in the soft part near the transition zones. The SPs have a relatively narrow band for straight line riding which doesnt seem to be affected but otherwise not a fan of multi compound tires on track
 
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Interesting report on the SC3. I’ve been using the V4 SP for my first couple of track days and I thought it was great, not that I’ve put it under any undue stress. Tempted to see what SC3 are like, although it’s probably not necessary.
 
spooky said:
Interesting report on the SC3. I’ve been using the V4 SP for my first couple of track days and I thought it was great, not that I’ve put it under any undue stress. Tempted to see what SC3 are like, although it’s probably not necessary.
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Do you have V4 front and rear?

At Laguna a couple weeks ago, the SPs performed great. No issues. Weather was perfect at 69°. New smooth tarmac. Great tire graining (almost as good as Pirro’s slick seen in a different thread). Suspension was on dynamic and proper springs. Was doing 1m52-56 sec laps (with a casual stretch between T5-6 which was no passing to avoid getting popped for sound) on them easily. Probably could dip into high 40s with them with better talent. There must’ve been a ton of grip bc I couldn’t get the SPs to slide or TC to activate even dialing it up to 9 even trying to ham fist the throttle.

Conversely, at Thunderhill East when it was 100°+ out the SPs were in way over their heads and so greasy. They were literally melting and sliding everywhere.

The Pirelli tire guy recommended SC3 and that they’re great on track and street, which piqued my interest and this topic.
 
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Interesting nugget about the RC4 not being good for the track. I would have thought they would have fared better.

With the Supercorsa SC, I take it there are three unique compounds each performing slightly differently?

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Do you have V4 front and rear?

At Laguna a couple weeks ago, the SPs performed great. No issues. Weather was perfect at 69°. New smooth tarmac. Great tire graining (almost as good as Pirro’s slick seen in a different thread). Suspension was on dynamic and proper springs. Was doing 1m52-56 sec laps (with a casual stretch between T5-6 which was no passing to avoid getting popped for sound) on them easily. Probably could dip into high 40s with them with better talent. There must’ve been a ton of grip bc I couldn’t get the SPs to slide or TC to activate even dialing it up to 9 even trying to ham fist the throttle.

Conversely, at Thunderhill East when it was 100°+ out the SPs were in way over their heads and so greasy. They were literally melting and sliding everywhere.

The Pirelli tire guy recommended SC3 and that they’re great on track and street, which piqued my interest and this topic.
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Yes, V4 front and rear. I’ve only tried them at Brno so far. Pirelli say they use SC3 compound on the edges, so I was intrigued to hear the poster saying he felt there was more grip from the SC3.

A chap who is a regular at Brno recommended SC1 rear and SC1 or SC2 on the front, depending on temperature. He reckoned there’s no problem keeping heat in them, although he’s about 25 seconds a lap quicker than me at the moment (I reckon I can quite easily reduce that to 15 seconds without giving myself any scares - I’ve only done two track sessions - but getting faster is going to take some time and effort). 🤣

I seem to recall that Pirelli used to call the SC3 their track-day tyre and if tyre warmers are not a necessity then I guess they are easier to get heat into.

I use tyre warmers - had them set low for the SP tyres and they heat the wheel as well. I only used them as I like the idea of setting pressure when the tyres already hot.

Interesting topic @SuperDomestique
 
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I'm running the pirelli rosso 4 corsa only on the street. I'm fairly happy with them on the street I have to say. They are lasting a great deal longer than the Supercorsa V3, they seem to heat up faster and went well through the winter. The harder compound center is much wider and has lasted a few highway journeys over a couple of hours each without going square.
They may be a tad less grippy in the corners at higher speeds but don't just let go, I've heard them chirp a couple of times.
I use slicks on the track. I've found street tires on the track last one day, and do not do well on the street after. Slicks can go a few days. As I get faster on the track the wear is changing dramatically. I used to get 5-6 track days out of SC1 SBK slicks, now 2 days max.
 
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To clarify somethings as a lot of these are questions I had when I first got heavy into track riding a few years ago and just reading the information from the Pirelli or dealers is not clear or sometimes almost misleading I have found.

SP vs SC/TD Supercorsa: The two main differences in the SP and SC are:
1. Different carcass and underling base layer. They will react differently with the SC giving a higher level of performance on the track but will not heat up as quick/last as long as the SP which I think has silica base? Not sure the exact base should say on website.
2. The SC is a single compound throughout the tire while the SP has the SC3 compound on the sides and a harder carbon black compound in the center(for reference the Rosso 4 Corsa has a silica compound in the center and is wider so to some extent the SP will have that transition problem but very minimal as the grip difference between sides and centers is a minimal change vs the rosso 4 corsa which is a drastic change). The multi compound tires compound transition drop in performance is going to be most pronounced the more powerful the bike, so all this is from a liter bike perspective you may find this not an issue at all if putting them on a ninja 300. Attached is a picture of an SP V3 where you can see the center harder compound pretty clearly.

Think of these 2 tires this way, The SP is a street tire that can be ridden on the track with good performance. The SC3 is a track tire that occasionally can be ridden on the street, mainly made so you could ride your bike to the track and jump on it without changing tires.
Additionally for those who think the Supercorsa SC3 is not necessary for your skill level at this point(exactly what I thought a few years ago), I would say that you should reconsider and that is incorrect. This is assuming you run one tire on the track and a different on the street. If you use one tire for both, then the SP is absolutely the correct choice.

SC Compounds: The Supercorsa SC line is basicly the superbike slick with treads. The SC3 Supercorsa is not a good street tire while it can be ridden on the street in hot temps just fine it would be worn out pretty quick, it just was not made for this. I am unsure of their reasoning for doing any compounds other than SC3 the hardest compound. The Supercorsa SC3 does not need tire warmers but in colder environments it is probally recommended, all other softer compounds would need them thus reasoning why you wouldn't just run a slick if using softer than SC3. As far as life, the track as well as rider ability is going determine that. A very abrasive track will eat up an SC1/SC2 in a day or sooner with fast paced rider where someone at a slower pace on a track that is a lot less abrasive may get 6-10 days out of them.
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Tower said:
To clarify somethings as a lot of these are questions I had when I first got heavy into track riding a few years ago and just reading the information from the Pirelli or dealers is not clear or sometimes almost misleading I have found.

SP vs SC/TD Supercorsa: The two main differences in the SP and SC are:
1. Different carcass and underling base layer. They will react differently with the SC giving a higher level of performance on the track but will not heat up as quick/last as long as the SP which I think has silica base? Not sure the exact base should say on website.
2. The SC is a single compound throughout the tire while the SP has the SC3 compound on the sides and a harder carbon black compound in the center(for reference the Rosso 4 Corsa has a silica compound in the center and is wider so to some extent the SP will have that transition problem but very minimal as the grip difference between sides and centers is a minimal change vs the rosso 4 corsa which is a drastic change). The multi compound tires compound transition drop in performance is going to be most pronounced the more powerful the bike, so all this is from a liter bike perspective you may find this not an issue at all if putting them on a ninja 300. Attached is a picture of an SP V3 where you can see the center harder compound pretty clearly.

Think of these 2 tires this way, The SP is a street tire that can be ridden on the track with good performance. The SC3 is a track tire that occasionally can be ridden on the street, mainly made so you could ride your bike to the track and jump on it without changing tires.
Additionally for those who think the Supercorsa SC3 is not necessary for your skill level at this point(exactly what I thought a few years ago), I would say that you should reconsider and that is incorrect. This is assuming you run one tire on the track and a different on the street. If you use one tire for both, then the SP is absolutely the correct choice.

SC Compounds: The Supercorsa SC line is basicly the superbike slick with treads. The SC3 Supercorsa is not a good street tire while it can be ridden on the street in hot temps just fine it would be worn out pretty quick, it just was not made for this. I am unsure of their reasoning for doing any compounds other than SC3 the hardest compound. The Supercorsa SC3 does not need tire warmers but in colder environments it is probally recommended, all other softer compounds would need them thus reasoning why you wouldn't just run a slick if using softer than SC3. As far as life, the track as well as rider ability is going determine that. A very abrasive track will eat up an SC1/SC2 in a day or sooner with fast paced rider where someone at a slower pace on a track that is a lot less abrasive may get 6-10 days out of them.
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Yeah, piecing together the tire puzzle has been interesting. Information out there from the manufacturers isn't very clear.

It sounds like the TD and slicks have a different carcass construction than the street tires. I'm guessing the TD/slick have a softer construction and less silica in it so it doesn't overheat. I think that's also what's being denoted in the new SP V4 diagram of its new "cap and base" construction. The red and orange is the rubber with silica that'll heat up faster and is more durable which is needed for street riding. The red is probably high silica content, orange moderate, and which no silica (aka SC3). This silica probably decreases the feel and grip you get from the tires since its harder and doesn't compress as much.

If having a second set of wheels didn't come with so much overhead I'd be all over it. You're looking at probably around $3k for a setup.

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Tower said:
Rosso 4 Corsa: Do not recommend this on the track. Great grip on the edge but when you transition to the center compound you loose grip to the point I would start sliding out the rear when transitioning from lean to driving out of a corner and bringing the bike up. I did 3 full sessions and all of them I thought I was going to high side as I transitioned the contact patch which is about 25-30 degrees lean. I confirmed this with my AIM solo DL that it was an abrupt loss of rear traction always about that same lean angle. Front under hard trail braking had a few moments I thought grip was going away but overall performed better than the rear. See the attached picture and you can see the big change in compound from the side to center. Note these are brand new tires, 50 street miles then 3 track sessions after which I promptly switched wheels to ones with SC3's on them. I have these tires for street riding.
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I had the same feelings on RC2. It felt weird in that transition zone. Never felt confident on it.
 
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At least we are talking about one brand here, I'm Pirelli through and through as it gets to complicated comparing other brands. Ducati chassis is so stiff it requires the flex from a soft wall tire ...Pirelli. I stopped street riding a couple of years ago and was using RC3's , loved them, as I live in a cool climate with lots of corners and dubious surfaces. Important thing to have in context is all of these tires are designed to have optimal grip at a defined temperature.
So a RC3/4 are going to have more grip at 30-40 degrees celcius than a SC or TD tire. Silica content helps with wet conditions but cant endure heat which one probably cant generate on the road anyway.
Tower's photo of the rear SC probably could go a tad lower in pressure to clean that rubber rolling up, also indicative of constant throttle, (presume it was on a track with long flowing corners). I've tried most options in most conditions, humble advice I could offer is dont get sucked into thinking an SC tire is going to give you heaps more grip on the street in moderate temps compared to the more treaded RC tires.
Sorry nothing really specific offered by me !
 
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Im fast group trackday rider, pretty casual with it- ride to the local. Slicks are the next step but Im not there yet. I think the SP does what it says on the box, great for track days until you are really fast and you can get heat into them easily but they are very sensitive to pressure as in a few pounds over will have you digging trenches where you power on. The RC4's are a nod to economy and some cold wet weather but much prefer the feel of new SP's

This SP was all used up on a day that had a few showers
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