the base 1199 panigale has normal lighting... is there a LED option? like the ''S''

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just for the record WET/SPORT/RACE modes adjusts the engine HP output and the way the engine delivers...NOT SUSPENTION...hence, even the BASE model has this feature ;-).

I'm all for the technology and electronic suspention would be nice to have but, notice the race bikes dont have it ;-)...

electronic suspention is a luxury, a nice step fwd to the future but it still is a marketing tool...its just another 1st the Pani need...but not an everyday neccessity.

As someone else mentioned earlier, 90% of S riders wont fine tune the settings after the 1st,2nd or 3rd time messig with it lol. you'll find your self more flickering from wet/sport and race mode on a daily bases.

Eitherway, enjoy. cheers

Not sure I entirely agree...

The superstock bikes have same Ohlins, but not the electronic adjustment. This is OK if you have a pit crew who are on hot standby with their snap-on tool chest and you're minimising the electronics on the bike for weight or reliability reasons. But for us mere mortals that maybe ride to our track days, DES isn't a gimmick, its every bit a good and far more practical.
 
Plus its very easy to track your changes if you f' up. With the manual you need to document all of the changes, clicks twists... to make sure you can get back to a point of stability when you screw up your settings :)
 
If the LED's are 6-7 lbs heavier why does teh Ducati site show the weights for the standard and S to be identical.

And yet they show the Tricolore as 6lbs heavier than both?

You would think the S and Tricolore would be identical and the standard 6lbs lighter.

The S has lighter wheels so it comes in on par with the base and the suspension components on the base are lighter, the Tricolore comes stock with ABS which adds 5.5 lbs.

Not sure I entirely agree...

The superstock bikes have same Ohlins, but not the electronic adjustment. This is OK if you have a pit crew who are on hot standby with their snap-on tool chest and you're minimising the electronics on the bike for weight or reliability reasons. But for us mere mortals that maybe ride to our track days, DES isn't a gimmick, its every bit a good and far more practical.

The Ohlins on the superstock are different than the Ohlins on the S and Tri, take a look at the forks on the RS...the similarities end with the name and color.
 
The Ohlins on the superstock are different than the Ohlins on the S and Tri, take a look at the forks on the RS...the similarities end with the name and color.

The forks/shock on the RS are very different, I agree. But then this bike is nothing like the stock panigale, either in spec or cost.

The superstock bikes have exactly the same Ohlins NIX30/TTX36 suspension without the electronic adjustment. Look here: http://www.visordown.com/image.aspx...CLES&category=Snippets&title=&SiteChannelId=3
 
Not sure I entirely agree...

The superstock bikes have same Ohlins, but not the electronic adjustment. This is OK if you have a pit crew who are on hot standby with their snap-on tool chest and you're minimising the electronics on the bike for weight or reliability reasons. But for us mere mortals that maybe ride to our track days, DES isn't a gimmick, its every bit a good and far more practical.

haha sir we're not debating the Ohlins forks, Ohlins have made me a believer...we're talking about the electronic part...

If you watch the walk through of the electronics of the dash settings you see that its possible to really fine tune the suspention front and rear.

1. IF YOU DONT UNDERSTAND SUSPENTION ADJUSTMENT MANUALLY, YOU WONT KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING ELECTRONICALLY LOL.

2. point im trying to make is, if and when you do fine tune the suspention to your weight and passenger weight (if you regularly carry a passenger) there's almost never a need to mess with it again.

3. if you're serious about track days/racing (which most of you aren't, tho ya think you are lol) you will slill find your self down on your knees with a screw driver ;-)...and change the selector on the rear spring for track of road use, which again most wont mess with.


further more, you watch any of the reviews and any journalist who mentioned changing any settings as the day went on never mentions doing further finetune adjustment to the electronic sus...they all change the DTC, EBS, maybe ABS

for the record, I do think the electronic suspention is a great feature
 
haha sir we're not debating the Ohlins forks, Ohlins have made me a believer...we're talking about the electronic part...

If you watch the walk through of the electronics of the dash settings you see that its possible to really fine tune the suspention front and rear.

1. IF YOU DONT UNDERSTAND SUSPENTION ADJUSTMENT MANUALLY, YOU WONT KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING ELECTRONICALLY LOL.

2. point im trying to make is, if and when you do fine tune the suspention to your weight and passenger weight (if you regularly carry a passenger) there's almost never a need to mess with it again.

3. if you're serious about track days/racing (which most of you aren't, tho ya think you are lol) you will slill find your self down on your knees with a screw driver ;-)...and change the selector on the rear spring for track of road use, which again most wont mess with.


further more, you watch any of the reviews and any journalist who mentioned changing any settings as the day went on never mentions doing further finetune adjustment to the electronic sus...they all change the DTC, EBS, maybe ABS

for the record, I do think the electronic suspention is a great feature

I'm with you on this, but DES does make the useful suspension adjustments more accessible. Preload should be a setup-once and forget adjustment, while the switch to linear shock action is a once a day setting. However, the compression and rebound settings in DES are much easier if I don't need tools and I'm therefore more inclined to spend time finessing them.
 
Ducenzo - doesnt it make sense that if you do suspension adjustments, whether once or often, the ability to do this electronically would be much simpler.

Previously when I set my suspension for the track I would document the current settings and then for each adjustment I would document the settings and effect.

The electronic version stores your settings and makes it very easy to tune based on the feedback your getting on the track.

I am not debating the fact you need to know what you are doing before you start screwing with your suspension :)
 
Ducenzo - doesnt it make sense that if you do suspension adjustments, whether once or often, the ability to do this electronically would be much simpler.

Previously when I set my suspension for the track I would document the current settings and then for each adjustment I would document the settings and effect.

The electronic version stores your settings and makes it very easy to tune based on the feedback your getting on the track.

I am not debating the fact you need to know what you are doing before you start screwing with your suspension :)

yes, adjusting your suspention with the flick of a switch is deffinitely convenient. simpler? ehhh :)

still need an understanding of what it is you're feeling and what to change to get what you want.

HOW MANY GUYS AT THE TRACK MAKE THEIR OWN ADJUSTMENTS?? HMMM

Im saying, hopefully this DES feature will encourage/ecxite guys into educating them selves on simple suspention dynamics

IN CLOSING, HAVING ELECTRONIC SUSPENTION IS NOT AN ADVANTAGE AGAINST THE GUY WITH EQUAL QUALITY MANUAL SUS....

(and ill take it a step further, in regards to most with the DES) OR AGAINST THE GUY WITH BASE MODEL FOR THAT MATTER, TRUST ME

at that point its mans potential, not euiptment capability ;)
 
I know for me the electronic ajustments are going to be a blessing as the roads around here where I ride go from insane hotmix twisties to no more than patched up goat tracks that they still call main roads and to not have to get off the bike will be great. In fact that is why I got the Tri because I think all of the electronics it has is going to be a great thing for some of the gravel splattered corners that I have to negotiate:)

As for track days.....we will have to see, but the first outing is with Troy Bayliss:D
 
Ducenzo - Agreed the electronics is not a replacement for knowledge - more a conveniece factor.

I you are not familiar with suspension dynamics the fancy dash wont help :)
 
Similar to Wallaroo, the roads I'll be riding are pretty uneven, bumpy and crap.

Based on the benefits Diavel owners have seen, upgrading their stock Marzocchi/Sachs setup with the Ducati Performance Ohlins rear shock, it makes me wonder more about the Base model.....

I'm sure from a comfort & compliance point of view, Ohlins shod bikes will deliver a far superior ride on bad roads.

While the 1199 is no cruiser, this maybe something that will irritate me long term.
 
So, does anyone that has the base model changed to different/brighter bulbs or are the stock bulbs good enough :cool:
 
Anyone want to suggest what sort of electronic tweaks I'd need to make to the standard setup - I'm about 105kg, which is probably 30kg heavier than the average weight that the Dukes seem to be set up for.
 

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