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anyone that is following the motogp season knows how fast the ducatis are. Im not just talking about the gp16 but all of them. The factory team however hasnt had any luck at all. makes me wonder so here are my questions to you guys. would love to get your opinions.

1. are the factory guys just no good?
2. are the factory boys feeling the pressure to do well? (JLO coming and Stoner always in the back of their mind)
3. no problems just cant figure out the tyres?
4. bad luck?
5. other.
 
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We have no alien, and we can't win.

anyone that is following the motogp season knows how fast the ducatis are. Im not just talking about the gp16 but all of them. The factory team however hasnt had any luck at all. makes me wonder so here are my questions to you guys. would love to get your opinions.

1. are the factory guys just no good?
2. are the factory boys feeling the pressure to do well? (JLO coming and Stoner always in the back of their mind)
3. no problems just cant figure out the tyres?
4. bad luck?
5. other.
 
anyone that is following the motogp season knows how fast the ducatis are. Im not just talking about the gp16 but all of them. The factory team however hasnt had any luck at all. makes me wonder so here are my questions to you guys. would love to get your opinions.

1. are the factory guys just no good?
2. are the factory boys feeling the pressure to do well? (JLO coming and Stoner always in the back of their mind)
3. no problems just cant figure out the tyres?
4. bad luck?
5. other.

It's more than just the riders. The electronics are different than last year with the unified ECU. The tires are different and seems to suit different bikes,setup, riding style. There is pressure to perform when you are getting paid millions and are in a contract year. Dovi has the most bad luck. All these things are reasons for not winning. e will have to see how the season places out.
 
Dovi has been a workman like rider over his career but not a "winner" near the front, great for development, has won before. Iannone was great in moto 2 I felt sure he would mature into a real contender with the full factory ride but he has become a "crasher" how much of a part bike is playing in making these guys look bad or good should become very clear next year when Bore Gay throws a leg over it. There have been some VERY GOOD riders over the years that looked like they forgot how to ride once they got on that machine. Making Stoner the exception.
 
1. are the factory guys just no good?

Both Andreas are, I think, 2nd tier riders - meaning not top 4 and not aliens. Not race winners. Not as long as Marquez, Lorenzo, Rossi and Pedrosa are on factory bikes. Just not going to happen. No disrespect intended, just the truth as I see it. They're missing that last 1/10th of talent.

2. are the factory boys feeling the pressure to do well? (JLO coming and Stoner always in the back of their mind)

Have to be, as much as they say they aren't. They know at least one of them is on the way out, if not both. They have to feel pressure to impress, which can lead to mistakes if they push too much.

3. no problems just cant figure out the tyres?

Tyres are still a variable for everyone - Michelin is still figuring GP out. The tires change every race. From what I read the front gives little feedback, so combine that with pushing too much and a little bit different tyre every race, and you can hit the deck a lot.

4. bad luck?

Dovi for sure.

5. other.

I think Ducati has squandered a lot of opportunities this year to look good. If you look at their history, they are typically close in the beginning of the year and lose touch as the year goes on. They simply don't have the resources to keep up with Honda and Yamaha over the race season. Through some bad luck, mechanical failures and dumb pass attempts they've given away a lot of their opportunities. It just gets harder from here on out. It's good Lorenzo wanted to sign early, because I think if this was around Brno time he'd be less willing to jump ship.

I think Lorenzo will win next year, and I think he'll do it early. If he makes enough points he might be able to squeak the championship. But he needs to maximize the first 3rd of the season.
 
I think Andrea WILL be great- Dovi is a has been- great for development like others said but just not great and getting old- Can run with the pack until pressure comes down- than its 4-5-6-7th place or crash. he has had terrible luck this year however. Look at Marquez 2-3 years ago- he was a crasher- I think iannone will be great just needs to settle the .... down and know when to be aggressive. That and a mix of having a real truely competitive bike for the first time- than throwing new tires that haven't been used- deff going to have some issues.
 
I think Andrea WILL be great- Dovi is a has been- great for development like others said but just not great and getting old- Can run with the pack until pressure comes down- than its 4-5-6-7th place or crash. he has had terrible luck this year however. Look at Marquez 2-3 years ago- he was a crasher- I think iannone will be great just needs to settle the .... down and know when to be aggressive. That and a mix of having a real truely competitive bike for the first time- than throwing new tires that haven't been used- deff going to have some issues.

i agree with most of your points marquez last year was a crasher before that he won 2 motogp titles and the moto 2 title so 3 years ago he wasnt that bad
 
i agree with most of your points marquez last year was a crasher before that he won 2 motogp titles and the moto 2 title so 3 years ago he wasnt that bad


Don't forget Lorenzo was a crasher also when he first started in MotoGP. Look at him now. Almost unstoppable and generally super consistent.
 
I've been saying for years if you are not on a factory Honda or Yamaha you will be battling for 4th and 5th place in the Championship. In the last 30 years there's only been 3 years when a Honda or Yamaha did not when the Championship (Suzuki x2 & Ducati). Aliens typically ride alien machines. It's not the riders, you do not make it to that level and be a sub-par rider.
 
Ummm....NO! Lorenzo's style doesn't the Duc. He will have two miserable seasons and opt out for a ride somewhere else. It's funny how people guess that anybody can ride (gel) with any bike at that level. Only Casey Stoner could get that thing to work. Not Nicky, Cruthlow or even you guy's god Valentino. Lorenzo is a "cornerspeed" rider who relies on "feel" and "consistency" both of which the Ducati is not known for. He would have been better off working a deal with Suzuki. ;)
 
Ummm....NO! Lorenzo's style doesn't the Duc. He will have two miserable seasons and opt out for a ride somewhere else. It's funny how people guess that anybody can ride (gel) with any bike at that level. Only Casey Stoner could get that thing to work. Not Nicky, Cruthlow or even you guy's god Valentino. Lorenzo is a "cornerspeed" rider who relies on "feel" and "consistency" both of which the Ducati is not known for. He would have been better off working a deal with Suzuki. ;)


Actually he (Jorge) would have been better off trading places with Danny at Honda. I just don't see how Jorge and Casey with two different styles can develop the Ducati into a consistent winning bike. Casey knows how to make a poor bike go fast and develop a fast bike into an alien bike. But Jorge can only make a well developed bike go fast. He has yet to develop a bike to a winning formula.
 
Actually he (Jorge) would have been better off trading places with Danny at Honda. I just don't see how Jorge and Casey with two different styles can develop the Ducati into a consistent winning bike. Casey knows how to make a poor bike go fast and develop a fast bike into an alien bike. But Jorge can only make a well developed bike go fast. He has yet to develop a bike to a winning formula.

That is t really fair to say. Jorge has done a lot with the M1 it's been reported that Rossi copies his set up and even gearing ratios. So to say he needs a developed bike as opposed to he himself developing the bike is t correct. I also think that the GP16 is a dynamic enough of a platform that two riders with opposing style could win on it. I think in reality it's probably the best bike on the grid really just lacking a winning rider.
 
I'd dare top say the Honda is more similar to the Ducati than Yamaha. Casey had success on both bikes. I also heard that the Yamaha is setup per Lorenzo's specifications......from a Rossi interview. Rossi lost weight and changed his riding style to accommodate the differences in the M1. The GOAT doing what he needs to compete. I disagree that the Ducati is that dynamic, but I guess time will tell. ;)
 
Ummm....NO! Lorenzo's style doesn't the Duc. He will have two miserable seasons and opt out for a ride somewhere else. It's funny how people guess that anybody can ride (gel) with any bike at that level. Only Casey Stoner could get that thing to work. Not Nicky, Cruthlow or even you guy's god Valentino. Lorenzo is a "cornerspeed" rider who relies on "feel" and "consistency" both of which the Ducati is not known for. He would have been better off working a deal with Suzuki. ;)

thats weird speed do you work for ducati? are you a super ducati mech that works on that million dollar bike every week?- your baggin on everyone else assuming he wont be able to- you dont think that bike has changed a hell of a lot in 5+ years? come on now. I'm not a lorenzo fan by any means ( his style is great but his whinyness drives me nuts). If i could choose an alien to go to Ducati it would be Marquez 100%. Young, good personality ( it seems) and i think the way he rides is interesting.
 
I heard a rumor this morning both Iannone and Dovi are out and Chaz is in. That would be interesting.
 
thats weird speed do you work for ducati? are you a super ducati mech that works on that million dollar bike every week?- your baggin on everyone else assuming he wont be able to- you dont think that bike has changed a hell of a lot in 5+ years? come on now. I'm not a lorenzo fan by any means ( his style is great but his whinyness drives me nuts). If i could choose an alien to go to Ducati it would be Marquez 100%. Young, good personality ( it seems) and i think the way he rides is interesting.

Lol......No Tyler, if I were some "super tech" as you claim I obviously wouldn't be wasting time debating with you. You obviously have a soft spot for Jorge so I apologize for hurting your feelings. Seriously though, like you...I have an opinion. I based mine on history.....circumstances that actually happened. Fact: a lot of great or at least fast riders went to Ducati GP over the years and had little success. Most of these riders had more success on the bikes they left to go to Ducati. Lorenzo spent all of his MotoGP career on ONE bike. So the "jury is still out." I hope he does well, but I doubt he will have the success he enjoyed at Yamaha. But again, we will see. As far as Marquez goes, I agree with you that I think he will be a better fit for Ducati then Pedrossa or Lorenzo.
 
Equating the bike Stoner rode and the success he had on it really needs to stop being the comparison. This is a different bike - different chassis, different engine, different engineer. This isn't the bike Rossi rode either. What Stoner did in the past, and what other riders did not do in the past, bears no relevance on the current bike.

Lorenzo is one of the two fastest guys in the world. It's short-sighted to say he can only ride in one way - so far he's only HAD to ride in one way. The idea he won't be able to adapt is baseless - he started out in GP crashing his brains out, but he adapted and became one of the fastest guys in the world.

You could put Iannone on a Yamaha and he won't beat Marquez or Rossi. You could put Dovi on a Honda and he won't either. remember when Dovi was on a factory Honda and couldn't beat anybody? I do. It's not all the bike; you couldn't put anyone on Lorenzo's Yamaha and automatically have a winner. Doesn't work like that.
 
That is t really fair to say. Jorge has done a lot with the M1 it's been reported that Rossi copies his set up and even gearing ratios. So to say he needs a developed bike as opposed to he himself developing the bike is t correct. I also think that the GP16 is a dynamic enough of a platform that two riders with opposing style could win on it. I think in reality it's probably the best bike on the grid really just lacking a winning rider.

I really hope you are right. I just don't see it.
 
Honestly.. Everything has to be perfect for Jlo to win.. Hardly ever is the Ducati ever perfect.. He wont do ......
 

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