Track day tyre wear

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Hamish said:
Sorry man, it doesn't explain much to me. Both tyres were inflated to 30psi cold temps, the wear on the front was consistent and looks fine, could 1 maybe 2psi make that much of a difference?
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read the doctorj explanation. 1 or 2 PSI can make the difference considering the speeds at which these tyres rotate during a track day
 
A track with an abrasive surface will do that to your tires regardless of pressure, that's why I asked if everyone else's tires at the track day looked just like yours.
 
That looks like cold tear to me.
And if you're going to do more track days, I would advise investing in a good set of tire warmers, like Chicken Hawks. Both your tires and life will last longer.
 
OzStriker said:
I find tyre warmers save wasted warm-up time at track days, makes a difference especially if there is an incident or two cutting into your session.

There is a company you can google called Kaneg, they make great warmers at an excellent price that many use here in Australia, it would be worth asking them how their warmers fit the Panigale rear.
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Don't buy Kanag warmers they are crap . I have had three sets they have all burnt through one set started to catch fire .
I have just bought a set of these TrackPro TrackPro | GB Racing | Eazi-Grip | SES Race Products | Crash Protection | Engine Case Covers | Frame Sliders | Tyre Warmers | Tyrewarmers | Tank Grips | Crash Knobs great quality will fit your 200 tyre .
As already mentioned get your sag set use warmers get the most out of your tyres . With the OEM Pirellis I usually go 30/30 cold as a placeto start then see how they are wearing and how they feel .
 
Nikt said:
read the doctorj explanation. 1 or 2 PSI can make the difference considering the speeds at which these tyres rotate during a track day
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Ok, after re-reading there is some credit to what he's saying. How do you calculate for a warm day, warm track temp, trial and error?

jarelj said:
A track with an abrasive surface will do that to your tires regardless of pressure, that's why I asked if everyone else's tires at the track day looked just like yours.
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No I had a buddy running a Aprilia RSV, running same pressures, although he had different tyres the wear looked fine

HESSIAN said:
That looks like cold tear to me.
And if you're going to do more track days, I would advise investing in a good set of tire warmers, like Chicken Hawks. Both your tires and life will last longer.
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Really, most guys are saying Warmers aren't necessary for the OE tyres as a warm up lap will get them up to temp just fine?

wilkson said:
Don't buy Kanag warmers they are crap . I have had three sets they have all burnt through one set started to catch fire .
I have just bought a set of these TrackPro TrackPro | GB Racing | Eazi-Grip | SES Race Products | Crash Protection | Engine Case Covers | Frame Sliders | Tyre Warmers | Tyrewarmers | Tank Grips | Crash Knobs great quality will fit your 200 tyre .
As already mentioned get your sag set use warmers get the most out of your tyres . With the OEM Pirellis I usually go 30/30 cold as a placeto start then see how they are wearing and how they feel .
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As mentioned above are Warmers really necessary for the OE tyres?
 
Yes mate use warmers . The warmers will help your tyres get to a safe operating temperature quicker on a cold day you may not even get the tyres hot enough without them and suffer cold tearing or worse .
Your tyres will last longer as well and help the heat cycles be more consistant rather than hot cold hot cold etc . Your tyres really should only go from cold to hot once through a track day .
 
wilkson said:
No way . Warm up lap will not get your tyres to a optimum operating temperature . Warmers will help.
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This.

I have little patience for a two or three lap tire warm-up, especially given my advanced age and lack of endurance.

Decent warmers can be had in the US for $200 a set. Google Moto-D. Great guy, great service. I used them for the two brief track days i ran my Pani and they worked well.

And the stock tires are great for almost any track day, except in the wet. Racing is a diff story tho.
 
Nothing to worry about. It's not so much you are wearing out your tire as picking up rubber from other riders bikes where rubber is shredding. No biggie. Also your tires are experiencing a lot more breaking load and acceleration load than what your are used to on street. Normally 4 track days and your tires may need to be replaced. The superiors as are good street/track tires anyway. Also keep an eye on brake pad wear. Best of luck
 
wilkson said:
Yes mate use warmers . The warmers will help your tyres get to a safe operating temperature quicker on a cold day you may not even get the tyres hot enough without them and suffer cold tearing or worse .
Your tyres will last longer as well and help the heat cycles be more consistant rather than hot cold hot cold etc . Your tyres really should only go from cold to hot once through a track day .
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I strongly agree.
I had recent track day with 40-50F ambient temperature, and could barely get tires up to temperatures even with warmers put on as soon as I hit the paddock. Many guys without warmers were experiencing cold tear. Also, there were 22 crashes in lower experience groups that day, mainly involving cold side turns.
Even on hot days, we throw warmers on between sessions, and complain about cool down when we're held long on hot pit.
 
HESSIAN said:
I strongly agree.
I had recent track day with 40-50F ambient temperature, and could barely get tires up to temperatures even with warmers put on as soon as I hit the paddock. Many guys without warmers were experiencing cold tear. Also, there were 22 crashes in lower experience groups that day, mainly involving cold side turns.
Even on hot days, we throw warmers on between sessions, and complain about cool down when we're held long on hot pit.
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Ok, I'm convinced. There seems to be a lot of opinions regarding this but the pros outweigh the cons. As it can't hurt the tyres it can only be a good thing right? Been looking at chicken hawk, anyone have experience with these?
 
They are good . Seriously get on the link I posted have a look at the track pro warmers they are top quality made in the UK and very well priced .
Either that or get the Chicken Hawks or maybe Capit try these guys as well Looking for good Tyre Warmers? Sportsbike Tyre Warmers - FIND OUT WHY so many of the worlds best riders and top teams choose Sportsbike Tyre Warmers. We send direct to customers, teams, dealers and distributors Worldwide. they are of great quality .
Don't worry too much about having digital warmers the standard ones will be (should be ) hassle free.
 
wilkson said:
They are good . Seriously get on the link I posted have a look at the track pro warmers they are top quality made in the UK and very well priced .
Either that or get the Chicken Hawks or maybe Capit try these guys as well Looking for good Tyre Warmers? Sportsbike Tyre Warmers - FIND OUT WHY so many of the worlds best riders and top teams choose Sportsbike Tyre Warmers. We send direct to customers, teams, dealers and distributors Worldwide. they are of great quality .
Don't worry too much about having digital warmers the standard ones will be (should be ) hassle free.
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The track pros seem a good price, have you used them yet?
 
wilkson said:
They are good . Seriously get on the link I posted have a look at the track pro warmers they are top quality made in the UK and very well priced .
Either that or get the Chicken Hawks or maybe Capit try these guys as well Looking for good Tyre Warmers? Sportsbike Tyre Warmers - FIND OUT WHY so many of the worlds best riders and top teams choose Sportsbike Tyre Warmers. We send direct to customers, teams, dealers and distributors Worldwide. they are of great quality .
Don't worry too much about having digital warmers the standard ones will be (should be ) hassle free.
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I've only used Chicken Hawks, so I can't comment on other companies.
Just to show how durable this brand is, I bought mine USED from an AMA super bike team, and they're still going strong after steady use for 4 more seasons. I'm more than satisfied.
 
TransNone13 said:
Hamish, did you get the answers you were looking for? This thread exploded, lol.
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I think it's fair to say I did ;) next track day can't come around soon enough so I can put everyone's theory's to practice!:D
 
Hamish said:
I think it's fair to say I did ;) next track day can't come around soon enough so I can put everyone's theory's to practice!:D
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Tires warmers will help.

Also, your tires are doing the suspension's job. So, make sure you set up the rear suspension (too stiff) before the next track day. if your sag is around 30mm, go back on the compression and rebound 3 click and try. Fine tune from that point.
 
Update:

Had my sag measured and setup this morning, it was so far out that it was one of the leading contributors to tyre degradation. Had 40mm on the front and bearly 1 mm on the rear! Its no wonder it felt so skittish on the track, diving with all the weight over the front into a corner then wanting to wheelie out.

Have now had it set, took some out of the front and ended up with around 20mm and about 15mm in the rear. Even with a short ride this morning it felt so much better. Much better feedback going into and around corners.

My tech was suprised that Ducati would ship it with that setup and this is after I had the rear linkage changed to Progressive!

I would suggest to anyone that hasn't had theirs looked at, get it done, you'll be pleased with the result.

Also he recommended I lower the tyre pressures next time out as 30 psi he says was too much for these Pirellis causing 'cold tear'. He recommended 26 in the rear and 28 - 29 in the front. My front seemed to wear just fine so I'll back the pressure off in the rear next time out to 28 psi and see what the result is.

Bought some CapIt tyre warmers so hopefully that will help the tyres wear better and last longer
 

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