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Who was on the inside lane?

I get upset about this because I still like going to the Dragon. I'm turning around and chasing down the next car/bike/truck that crosses the double yellow in front of me. Maybe the useless Tennassee cops will look out for crossing center more often and speed less.

I'm really getting sick of newbs killing other newbs by crossing center.

Saddly, a track day is safer than a sedate cruise on a twisty road like that now. At least were all going the same direction.
 
It is reported that the pani crossed the lane for unknown reason. That sounds like it came from witnesses, but news doesn't state that. Really just a police statement. Additionally the bikes' resting place was in the eastbound lane, pani was heading westbound. Speed is suspected by police, but of course they say that. I'm sure it is likely. I think we all know what likely, or probably happened. I'm still hesitant to attack him too bad, he did get killed as well. I don't think even if it was 100% his fault, his family grieves any less. (Which by the way often end up reading news stories and blogs about the issue in search for more information, so I always presume they may be a reader to these online discussions) But again, we will still never have all the details. Could have been animal or hazard, or health issue, mechanical issue, who knows. By the way, it just dawns on me, Sunday afternoon, when this happened, we had CRAZY winds. I'll bet money wind at least played a factor.
 
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Saddly, a track day is safer than a sedate cruise on a twisty road like that now. At least were all going the same direction.[/QUOTE]

This has always been true, atleast on a track day everyone is going in the same direction !
 
I stopped reading the pissing contest half way down the first page of this thread...

I just wanted to reply and say how epically sad this is for those riders and their family. No point in trying to place blame, 2 people are dead, it won't bring them back and why slander someone over what can only be an accident. Unless blood tests turn up anything, it's a tragic accident. I certainly doubt either person wanted to die if it could have been avoided.

Alex
 
Speeding in of itself doesn't equate liability, nor does blowing a line - although both could be used in a case attempting to indict on involuntary manslaughter. Unlike Hillary above, I see value in determining the cause of an incident but it would certainly be prudent to withhold attributing liability prior to a full investigation.

Had it been a slick oil patch or some other outside factor that caused a loss of control and veering, the entire story could be altered from what investigators originally theorize. If it is determined the Tricolore rider lost control as a result of his own reckless actions, and had he survived and been found to have not been under the influence of an illegal substance, he would most likely be looking at a charge of vehicular manslaughter, but certainly not murder as has been suggested.
 
Duck41 said:
he would most likely be looking at a charge of vehicular manslaughter, but certainly not murder as has been suggested.
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"Murder" was making a stern point to save some other idiot from doing the same exact thing, and raping the life of a innocent father from his family.


Ride within your means or you will kill yourself or some other innocent person.


That is the lesson we should all be taking from this.
 
outhouse said:
"Murder" was making a stern point to save some other idiot from doing the same exact thing, and raping the life of a innocent father from his family.


Ride within your means or you will kill yourself or some other innocent person.


That is the lesson we should all be taking from this.
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It is an emotional topic and I can understand your intentions, but calling this murder really isn't fair to the riders or their survivors as this term implies a degree of malice and naturally carries a stigma that survivors would have to unnecessarily live with.

But yes, all riders should understand they are operating what the courts consider a potentially lethal weapon, and that if their actions result in the harm or demise of another person, they will be held responsible.
 
Duck41 said:
It is an emotional topic and I can understand your intentions, but calling this murder really isn't fair to the riders or their survivors as this term implies a degree of malice and naturally carries a stigma that survivors would have to unnecessarily live with.

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I would agree if an innocent man minding his own business was not dead.


Could have been me, you, or one of our family members taken out by ignorance and stupidity.


Sorry im so callous, ive been riding a very long time and lost many friends to their own stupidity and the stupidity of others.







Denver Rick said it well.
. I think we all know what likely, or probably happened.
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I don't think this was some 50/50 accident. I see a older rider on a sport tour bike in his own lane creamed by a kid.

What caused the kid to cross the line is unknown, and with speeding being investigated this really leaves little for the imagination.


Its terrible all the way around, and we cant do anything about it other then to reflect on it, and try and not be the kid in the future.


Im not on a witch hunt here, I said my peace, in context and I will leave it at that.
 
It's a shame, both of those guy's numbers were up at the same time. Hopefully it was instant lights out. I hate seeing that, but it seems to be very common on "racer roads"
Angles Crest has been very bad that way, for years on the weekends.
I have always considered it a crash if I touch the center lane, but mistakes happen.
 
TAK1 said:
Sorry how do you know either were "newbs". Great generalizations there.
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Sorry. Didn't mean that either of these riders were newbs.

Just amongst my friends, and riders in my area. We have alot of newbs (in some cases, myself included) and educate them, the safer we'll all be. Crossing the double yellow, on a bike is an offense you're going to get beat for at the next rest stop, in our group.

What we need to take from this is some constructive dissapointment. Generally I'd blame the Suzuki rider that was in the inside lane. Usually when I screw up I end up sliding/drifting wide to the outside. Not looping and hooking inside.

If the outside lane rider messes up, he usually slides harmlessly off the road. Unless he purposely crossed the double yellow, into the path of the Suzuki rider.

Another thing we're seeing, is a follow the leader approach to passing traffic. Each rider needs to pause behind the traffic, make sure the oncoming lane is clear, then pass on the wrong side of the road.

Too often one guy passes, and the rest of our group just jumps over like we're a train or something. The last guy in line blindly jumps out in front of a truck, because the 2 riders in front of him made it. As if he really couldn't catch up later, if he waited a while.

You'll see cager Mom's doing this all the time. I'm out in the sticks, constant 2 lane back roads with tractors and Amish buggies. I know when I'm passing that 2 cars might be able to follow my truck around before oncoming traffic gets near. But there's allways the blind lady 3 cars back, blindy following the car ahead of her, that nearly gets squished.



We Americans are weird people. We'll travel half way across the country to a twisty road like the Dragon because it has so many turns. Then purposely cross the double yellow to straighten out a section of turns?

I mean, if you're there for turns, why skip any? LOLz.
 
outhouse said:
I would agree if an innocent man minding his own business was not dead.


Could have been me, you, or one of our family members taken out by ignorance and stupidity.


Sorry im so callous, ive been riding a very long time and lost many friends to their own stupidity and the stupidity of others.







Denver Rick said it well.


I don't think this was some 50/50 accident. I see a older rider on a sport tour bike in his own lane creamed by a kid.

What caused the kid to cross the line is unknown, and with speeding being investigated this really leaves little for the imagination.


Its terrible all the way around, and we cant do anything about it other then to reflect on it, and try and not be the kid in the future.


Im not on a witch hunt here, I said my peace, in context and I will leave it at that.
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You must have also missed what I later said, was that we had absurd wind, with even more absurd gusts of wind Sunday afternoon, which are even worse in the foothills where this was. Out here several people get hurt or killed ever year due to gust of wind blowing them off the road. Since that is not a blind or tight corner, I actually now find it much more likely that he got pushed by a gust of wind. This is why some of us resist bashing somebody who died without the facts. It is very likely an external force caused this accident. I get the anger, but it very well might be misplaced, and often is with such limited information.
 
There's only one real fact in this whole thread and that is sadly two motorcyclists have passed away.

I don't care for the circumstances, just for the families. Spare a thought for them.
 
Denver Rick said:
It is reported that the pani crossed the lane for unknown reason. That sounds like it came from witnesses, but news doesn't state that. Really just a police statement. Additionally the bikes' resting place was in the eastbound lane, pani was heading westbound. Speed is suspected by police, but of course they say that. I'm sure it is likely. I think we all know what likely, or probably happened. I'm still hesitant to attack him too bad, he did get killed as well. I don't think even if it was 100% his fault, his family grieves any less. (Which by the way often end up reading news stories and blogs about the issue in search for more information, so I always presume they may be a reader to these online discussions) But again, we will still never have all the details. Could have been animal or hazard, or health issue, mechanical issue, who knows. By the way, it just dawns on me, Sunday afternoon, when this happened, we had CRAZY winds. I'll bet money wind at least played a factor.
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ALL - Any statement beyond Ricks is pure conjecture - and conjecture, when both riders are dead, is VERY disrespectful. Leave them both in peace.
 
That picture...I think I just threw up a little.



As the devils advocate, try to remember as the writer nor the reader can one convey tone on forums.
 

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