Tuneboy Tuning Development

As it's throttle feel it'll be more in the twist of the wrist than seat of the pants. There won't be any power increases, just changes in ridability. It might take a few days to program the tables through

I noticed a subastantial increase in smoothness and rideability when I turned down the 1st and 2nd gear curves. Made the bike much more tractable and kept the front tire down. I did a progressive increase between 3500 and 7000 rpm for the top 4 gears at 100% throttle. the bike 'seems' stronger in the mid range now as well.

Turns out the 'original' maps aren't actually the maps I have installed, they're the ones you passed on, Sheikh . I noticed when I started changing the program. Fortunately 1st gear is mine, but when I reviewed yours, I must have closed the wrong one and Tuneboy doesn't display the full file name in the top bar, just a partial which is the same as my file name..... So Sheikh, take what you want from the plots for your own development. I'll be back to checking the TB supplied files tonight. At least they have the same map for 2-6 so input will be quick

I find myself chuckling. . . when it asks if you want to 'Save" the file, double check the name. I DO appreciate the smoothing, though. It's very pretty.

Yeah, I didn't save in Tuneboy until I changed T1. The excel file I was running had no relation to the files, pretty simple error

Hey Disco, strange thing today. I finally got my Innovate setup, got it all soldered and hooked up, even had the USB O2 sensor using the LM program going and thought everything was fine. . . BUT. I have the quick shifter/blipper plugged into the Vertical O2 sensor plug, and the A/F sensor into the horizontal plug, but the reading on the Target screen show the shifter on the horizontal/front cylinder, and the O2 sensor readings on the Vertical/.Rear cylinder. A bit of trouble shooting and playing with the trim map to see if it followed the mismatch, and sure enough, the front O2 sensor plug, at the front of the electronics bay, is labelled with a V tag (vertical?) and the one at the rear, which I thought was for the Vertical cylinder has an O Tag (O???? hmmm) and when I plugged into the 'wrong' plug for the rear cylinder to read the O2 sensor on the front exhaust, everything matched up properly. The wiring won't reach to the 'proper' O2 sensor plug-in location for either of the stock O2 sensors, I tried to make it reach but no joy. Very, VERY strange. I have no idea what the Service history was on the bike, but there were some bolts missing, in hidden places (like for the battery tray) and only one spring holds each exhaust joint, which I found odd (ordered replacements), and when I did the 15K service there were a lot of things that just didn't seem to be correct when I got the bike torn down far enough to do all the work.

Any ideas? that reversed O2 sensor plug situation really has me scratching my head.

I can't recall which plug was which. There's one almost behind the ECU and the other under the small black cover. I do recall having issues getting the power to reach and it only worked with the horizontal cylinder LC box on the right side of the bike. Did you install similar to the way I did in the linked thread? I only have the OEM QS so don't have experience with using O2 sensor power for it. I did think that Wayne (Tuneboy) just used the single port and moved the sensor around if using only 1 O2 sensor, so didn't sound like it mattered which one it is reading on, so long as you track the changes to ensure they apply to the right cylinder.

So after the stuff up with the wrong tune file, this is the map situation:

Original 1st

Modified 1st:

Original 2nd - 6th


New 2nd


Also changed 3-6:


I'm still programming the numbers into Tuneboy which is a little tedious due to only being able to use PgUp and PgDn and having to change each map separately. Still not sure if I'm going to feel any of these changes, but hopefully I'll be able to confirm tomorrow.

I'm not exactly certain what you mean by 'small black cover'. My bike is a 2013, and all my electricals are bare on the right side of the bike after you take the fairing off. Perhaps you mean the ABS cover?

I use the strain sensor from Tuneboy for my shifter, so I get both quick shift and blipper. I wired the power/signal connector using one of the plugs from teh stock O2 sensors, signal ()yellow wire) to pin 1, GND on Pin 2 and Power on Pin 3, then plug it into the O2 sensor plug that I'm not using for the shifter. Fortunately, by just reassigning the shifter to the other plug I can move the power/Gnd for the setup to whichever O2 harness connector I need for my tests. I moved the front harness conector for the V cylinder behind teh ECU, so that both O2 harness conectors are next to eachother, then removed both of the stock O2 sensor plugs from that area to give enough room for the Innovate wiring and teh shifter connector. Since it took a while, and I wanted to double check things before I took some rides and began Roll-On tuning the fuel curves, I didn't get any road time today, though I did practice with the software by playing with idle and no-gear throttle revving to see how the program reacted to the changing RPM and throttle positions. Seems to act as advertised and I even played with changing the fuel maps with those bits of information. It's a new fangled thingamabob, so it will take a few tiems playing with it to get accustomed to how the programming works and the buitton clicking/hot key/and programming options available. We're expecting a lot of rain tomorrow, and throughout the week, but mostly in the afternoons, so I'lsee about getting some saddle time when I'm able this week. Good News, though, the new slip-on should be here Monday or Tuesday, depending on shipping, so I;'ll be able to get things closely dialed in after I get it installed. Doing a long ride next Saturday, with lots of highway time. I'll mount the laptop on the tank and get some good highway reference numbers and auto tune done while I'm doing the 200 mile trip.

BTW, your throttle curves look nice... VERY smooth. I'm guessing Ducati had them a bit less smooth for some reason, but I can't imagine what it would be.

It sound like you've sorted the 02 issue (?)

I've installed the updated throttle maps, but it's raining here too so I've only tested the idle. It definitely idles in all gears with the 0% throttle zero's out

WELL,. the O2 'issue' bothers me because it's contrary to what it SHOULD be.... Why are the harness connectors labeled 'O' and 'V' instead of 'H' and 'V' ? The wiring schematic shows them as H and V. Perhaps an Italian language thing? Waitaminit. . . .I just did a google translate Horizontal in Italian is "Orizzontale"... so THAT is why the H is actually an O!!!

Derned ferrinners...

Vertical is 'Verticale' in Italian, btw.

This doesn't explain WHY the connectors are seemingly reversed, especially for their location, but at least I learned a new Italian word today.

I finally got to try out the new throttle maps and despite the wet weather, enjoyed the ride to work. They feel progressive and smoother. There's no jerkiness or sudden surge feeling that the original seemed to have. It feels more 'connected' to my input. Unfortunately it's wet all week, so I won't get to try out any normal riding, but first impressions are very positive

Nicely done sir. I'll be probably receiving the new exhaust tomorrow. Been looking at alternative Trims, and finally settled on 3 to install once the exhaust is bolted up. This model of exhaust closely resembles the Arrow, with the same pipe sizing but different Cat and Muffler. Unfortunately I'm not seeing a Tuneboy trim file for that particular exhaust, so I settled on the Termi slip-on without DB killer, the Evo Akro setup, and the Stainless AR. Just finished putting the blipper information in all three files and filled in the 0.0 areas below 3,000 rpm as a starting point using what I already have developed with my current tune. We'll see how things go. glad I can load all three trims into the Tuneboy firmware. That way I can try each one and see if there is a significant difference in feel before I start modifying the Trims.

Are you planning on uploading those throttle curve Maps for people to DL? Would be realy handy to have around.

You'll only need a close trim anyway, the refining will happen with the data logging/autotune depending which way you go.

I will put it somewhere, but want to test it out in the dry first.

I just did a ride home and back (daughter accidentally locked my wife out). It looks like the low speed corner surging I was getting (and trying to fix with fuelling) is gone. It's been plaguing me for years and what caused me to get the O2 sensors and start data logging......

In 1st gear I get that problem, because the gearing is so strong at low throttle. I have to make sure I'm very gentle with the throttle. The other day I pulled out of Sonic, after talking with some of the guys, accidentaly twitched the throttle while still turning, finished the turn with the last quarter floating the front tire. Fortunately I'm not one of those 'oh no, slam the throttle shut' guys, just rode through it and figured they thought I was showing off.

I think what is happening is that when rolling on there's a steady area in the map, but then either a sudden increase (evident in the graphs) or possibly an increase followed by decrease, so the bike gets stuck hunting for the appropriate throttle position, but could never find it

I don't really see a place like that in the Map, but the percent of throttle blade turning doesn't always translate to the same amount of airflow moving into the engine. There was that low area about 3k rpm at low throttle, but that's hardly enough to cause a fluctuation. Well, from what you say it's smoothed out now, so on to bigger and better things.

I'll send you the file if you want to have a play. It'll have to wait until I finish work though

That'll be great, thanks. Which Tune file is it? I can't use teh 6.8. for some reason it won't let me install 3 trim maps, no matter how hard I try.

That is really strange that you can't do 3. Are you using a cable or WiFi for uploading?

Figure I can just upload here.......

Standard disclaimer, changing your tune is at your own risk - be that safety, reliability, or legally. I can't account for your tune, settings, or ability. This is the setting I'm using and doing so at my own risk.

The TL tables are all set to 100 as I'm tuning without MAP intervention.