Tuneboy Tuning Development

I use a cable, but I put in 3 maps, do the 2+ minute wait, key on then hit the throttle/clutch and get only one indication on the display. Tried probably 6-8 times and got fed up with it and went back to ver. 6.7. I never really saw an imnprovement in the blipper, either, which was supposed to be the big change in ver. 6.8... something about an algorithm and different logic in the programming, more dynamic etc etc etc. I have ver 6.7 Trim files fine tuned for the blips, now, and it's like breaking thin glass when it shifts in either direction. Very crisp and positive with almost no jerk or adverse reaction to the shift.

What exactly does having the FL table set to all 100's do?

Edit. I just dl'd the Tune map. hmmm Ver. 6.7d same thing I've been using. Piece of cake.

The FL table is the ratio of fuel throttle table to load table. 100 means 100% F table and no MAP table involvement. 0 means all MAP and no F table. Tuneboys original setting only shows 0 in the lowest corner of the table and then progressing to 50 (50% F table fuel qty and 50% L table fuel qty).

nice to know that is how they do it.

Just got off a 1-hour test ride to check out your tune file. some notes:

1) Off-throttle transition is not as harsh as the original Tune. Much smoother, almost lazy.
2) Up-throttle is less jarring, but that 'runaway 2-stroke' power curve is just as pronounced as before, as far as I can tell. Power, overall, remains the same at WOT
3) Before riding I added my own down-tune to 1st and 2nd gear, basically turning down the percentage of throttle blade movement across the curve above 50% throttle. Plenty of power, smoother than before with your changes, and I can still keep the front tire down.
4) That nasty tendency to grab air in the front when accidentally twitching 1st gear is definitely toned down.
5) Quick on-off-on throttle movement transitions more smoothly, especially below 4500 rpm

At times I felt like I was riding in Rain mode instead of Sport. Didn't do anything in Race mode, but what you did covers all modes, so the affect should be the same across the board.

ONE problem, though. I use the Cruise Control on my bike, so my Tunes are Cruise and Tune instead of just Tune. I'm going to hand craft the curves by copying what you did, butI'm retired. nothing but time on my hands. Guess I'll be getting a bit of Carpal Tunnel tonight.

My slip on didn't come in. Hopefully tomorrow. As far as I'm concerned everything is ready to go for it.

Nice job on the Tune Map. Works very nicely. Some people will probably complain that it's not aggressive enough, but I like it just fine, especially around town in traffic.

Thanks for the feedback. It should be noted that I didn't lower the response, just got rid of the harsh transitions. Rather than being 'lazy' it's p more regressive especially around the 20% throttle input. I'm already finding I'm carry more corner speed and holding a better line as the jolt I was previously experiencing is gone. It would be interesting to get some track feedback.

Filling in the tables is a tedious task.....

Yeah, just finished my remap of your tune into my Tune and Cruise 6.7d Tune. A whole lot of fun merging YOUR below 70% numbers into MY upper reduced numbers in 1st and 2nd. A lot of mental gymnastics going on while comparing the strings of numbers to keep things smooth. Using the 3D depiction made things a whole lot easier, though. Very nice feature to have. Probably saved me about 50% of the work I'd be doing just comparing numbers and trying to get things evened out.

Just an update on my bike. Got the Dominator slip-on bolted on and the difference is night and day. no more saggy mid-range. I had to turn 1st gear down another 25% and re-map the low-mid upper rpm band throttle blades to get it under control. Massive torque increase between 3000-7500 rpm. People called it 'plumbing'.. it's definitely not. I'll do the fuel maps this week and get them dialed in, then in the near future after I tinker and fiddle with things a bit more to get it just like I want it I'll put it on a Dyno and do a comparison to the Dyno run I did about 20 months ago. Expecting big gains in the mid range and something up top as well. Here are the 3D graphs of the 1st and 2nd gear throttle blade curves. They are MUCH 'softer' through the low- mid-range to keep the throttle response from being too aggressive in the lower gears. Works very nicely, though I stil have to be kind of careful in 2nd gear in a corner. Max throttle at the top for 1st is only 65%, and 2nd is 85%, but in those lower gears the Torque multiplication is incredible so I'm not losing anything here.

After a few weeks of riding with this table, it has made everything better and I'm kicking myself for not doing it sooner. Less snatchy on the throttle, gear changes are smoother, and cornering..... so much more settled and predictable. If anyone else has tried it, please let me know if you're finding similar so I know I'm not imagining it

Had my first ride today after a long session of pgup/pgdn in tuneedit recently to move the numbers through the 6 tables. First impression was very positive, can definitely say that the throttle is a lot smoother and even throughout the range, feels like a different bike.
Thank you for trying this change and bringing it to everyones attention. I have been a bit reluctant to play with tuneedit as I have not been confident that i understood what the various tables represented, but this was a awesome mod

Thanks Mordor, glad you found it worthwhile. Are you using cruise+tune?

I might look further into differences between the maps, but I wouldn't expect any significant changes. I'm going to see if I get anything further with data logging after the throttle change (possibly better data now it's smoother), then looking into the MAP tables

I have the Cruise + Tune dialed in on my 1199 that is basically the same as Disco's Tune only version, just done on the Tune+Cruise version, if anyone wants a copy. I made mine a little softer on 1st and 2nd, but that just makes the bike more manageable in the lower gears.

I have the tune+cruise, so wrote the values into the tables from Disco's tune only version, being able to copy the entire table would have been soo nice

i'm running into same issues with my SLR tune...went back to stock gearing from 14/39....now i'm ordering a ....... 38tooth to try and keep it from being so jerky....FML

Jerkiness is usually caused not by gear ratio but by the actual throttle blade angle versus where your hand is twisting, plus a lean mix which makes the engine twitchy. The Ducati mid-range throttle blade map is pretty jerky between the cells, so you get very quick changes instead of a smooth ramp, especially in the lower half of the throttle blade map and below 6,000 rpm. The Maps Disco and I are using are smoothed out to remove that disparity of movement and make things more predictable. If you have the Tuneboy Tune map, you can go into the Fuel curve ratios and look at how they are all over the place from middle to rich to lean then back to richer as rpm increases. Pull ity up in 3D view so you can look at the cross-section of the ramps for the best idea of what is actualy going on. Most aftermarket trim maps have the exact opposite curve to compensate for the Ducati Base mixture Map being all over the place like that. This is reflected by gross changes in mixture between adjacent cells, sometimes by as much as 12-15% richer or leaner. Getting the mixture correct and smoothing out the throttle blade curves is a tremendous help on how the engine responds. You'd think you were riding a GSXR750 when you ride mine, except for the twin-cylinder pulsing, it's just that smooth with the changes made.

SirJAG said:

i'm running into same issues with my SLR tune...went back to stock gearing from 14/39....now i'm ordering a ....... 38tooth to try and keep it from being so jerky....FML

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Are you able to edit the throttle table with SLR? I know you're on a 1299 now, but the principle is the same and I don't see why you can't copy the same numbers. It would also depend if the increments SLR uses are the same as Tuneboys.

Could you share what you have and I’ll send it over to Frank and let him evaluate?

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A big shout out to Disco for helping me understand Tuneboy tune fines and trims. Endless messages from me and patient support from Disco.
Just incase anyone else has issues it is soooooo important to use the right version tune with a trim when using Tuneboy. I got my bike tuned and one day playing around I reflashed the ecu. Loaded the trim back in and bike was horrendous.
After 18 months of searching, I came across this post and disco put me on the right track. My bike was tuned using v6.7 cc and tune and I was still using v1 on my pc.
Loaded trim file through new version and bang…. Bike is back baby .
Disco…. You’re a legend.

Gald it's all worked out! I'll have the cruise control tune file with remapped throttle up soon. Flashing it should be a breeze now

Here's the cruise control tune and the tune only files. Both have the throttle tables remapped. The cruise file doesn't have any other adjustments on the other tables, but the tune only file has no MAP sensor input. Be sure to only use the one applicable to your Tuneboy licence. I've done what I can, but you should be sure you're satisfied that the files are suitable for you bike before you install.

Legend.

I’ll give it a go next week and let you know how it feels.