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UpMap: Interesting, yet confusing... In 2016 I was fed-up with my XDiavel's throttle response and landed up buying a Rapid Bike EVO system. The bike went to a well known tuner and the complete setup process including Dyno tuning followed as I did not use the "self learning" option. After a lot of money spent I was told that the Bosch ECU on the bike was locked and the end of the story was that I disconnected the RB EVO, losing a lot of money. My question is where does UpMap's maps live if the SF also has a "locked" ECU? I understand the RB situation as it uses a "piggy back" box feeding the ECU some "%^*&" input. So, where does the UpMap maps live in the SF??
 
TwoWheels said:
UpMap: Interesting, yet confusing... In 2016 I was fed-up with my XDiavel's throttle response and landed up buying a Rapid Bike EVO system. The bike went to a well known tuner and the complete setup process including Dyno tuning followed as I did not use the "self learning" option. After a lot of money spent I was told that the Bosch ECU on the bike was locked and the end of the story was that I disconnected the RB EVO, losing a lot of money. My question is where does UpMap's maps live if the SF also has a "locked" ECU? I understand the RB situation as it uses a "piggy back" box feeding the ECU some "%^*&" input. So, where does the UpMap maps live in the SF??
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Don't take this as gospel but when the term flash/reflash is used it usually implies a recalibration of the factory computer, either by changing presets or correction tables. So it's direct software manipulation as opposed to feedback from external hardware i.e. "piggyback".
 
TwoWheels said:
UpMap: Interesting, yet confusing... In 2016 I was fed-up with my XDiavel's throttle response and landed up buying a Rapid Bike EVO system. The bike went to a well known tuner and the complete setup process including Dyno tuning followed as I did not use the "self learning" option. After a lot of money spent I was told that the Bosch ECU on the bike was locked and the end of the story was that I disconnected the RB EVO, losing a lot of money. My question is where does UpMap's maps live if the SF also has a "locked" ECU? I understand the RB situation as it uses a "piggy back" box feeding the ECU some "%^*&" input. So, where does the UpMap maps live in the SF??
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upmap doesnt live in the SF, it rewrites the writeable portion of the ecu with new parameters. Then it is disconnected from the bike. If you want to write the stock programming back, you reconnect the upmap and write the stock programming back to it.

when you get screwed with something its easy to be skeptical. Hence why I do testing. Upmap works and is legit.
 
TwoWheels said:
UpMap: Interesting, yet confusing... In 2016 I was fed-up with my XDiavel's throttle response and landed up buying a Rapid Bike EVO system. The bike went to a well known tuner and the complete setup process including Dyno tuning followed as I did not use the "self learning" option. After a lot of money spent I was told that the Bosch ECU on the bike was locked and the end of the story was that I disconnected the RB EVO, losing a lot of money. My question is where does UpMap's maps live if the SF also has a "locked" ECU? I understand the RB situation as it uses a "piggy back" box feeding the ECU some "%^*&" input. So, where does the UpMap maps live in the SF??
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UpMap "lives" in the ECU. The difficulty in these modern ECUs isnt that you cannot upload maps into them, it's that the ECU has nearly unchangeable firmware that attempts to return back to the stock map. That is why UpMap disables the lamdas. If it didn't, the ECU would detect values have been altered and then use the lamdas to gradually re-tune itself back to being stock again. I have heard that might be a reason why they suggest unplugging the lamdas, as even though they are software disabled, there may be some latent functionality that gradually changes your UpMap tune back to stock. I had mine remain plugged in for a year or so of riding, unplugged them, then reloaded the same map, and the ride felt different after. So I personally believe this is what happens/why they suggest unplugging them.

That's also why piggyback tuners like RB suck for these new ECUs, because the ECU can detect values looking fishy and work to fight its way back to being stock despite the piggyback controller.

I have limited knowledge on the specifics of how it all works so I may be butchering it in my explanation, but that's what I've gathered so far.
 
Termi coordinates with Ducati since they offer approved aftermarket exhaust system and maps for those systems. As @vcyclenut said above, it is writing to the ecu.

Not the SFv4 but the point remains the same...

"After talking with Steve and my friend Alex at Ducati, I settled on installing a Termignoni full system from Ducati’s performance catalog ($3,009). Its titanium-sleeved can, carbon fiber end caps, and stainless steel pipes look great, but most importantly, the system includes a dedicated ECU map. It also ditches the catalytic converter and exhaust valve, which turns my Hyper into a track-only bike. That should encourage me to get to the track more often. Purchase also includes a two-year warranty. "

"Ducati and Termignoni worked in tandem to make the Hypermotard’s design work equally well with both the stock twin undertail exhausts and the single high-slung Termi system. "

https://www.cycleworld.com/story/mo...ucati-hypermotard-950-termignoni-full-system/
 
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The above makes sense. I have no other choice but to buy the UpMap dongle and MTorque map for my SF. By doing this I hope to smooth out the ride as it surely runs "uneven" when riding with a constant throttle (same speed throttle on the high way) and I have the occasional issue with idle cut out. This happens when I start the bike up cold and want to pull away after idling for a minute or so. It pulls away and then splutters and mostly die if not blipped right away. Or I pull away and get to a stop 30 m from my house - when I pull the clutch I get the dreaded splutter and the SF dies... As vcyclenut says one gets skeptical after so many bull-dusters tell you their stuff works... so I have faith in UpMap because of all the testing by regular riders. Thanks!!
 
Pard said:
If you really want your bike tuned and T800 is not for you, these are the names I always hear. You could ship them the bike.

Two that I know of in NY/NJ

http://bauce-racing.com/index.php?route=information/ecu
and

https://www.hudsonvalleymotorcycles.com/staff-employees-atvs-motorcycles-utvs-dealership--xstaff
Steve Saucier
Service Manager
914-762-2722
Steve is a longtime local New York Ducati guru. He knows these machines inside and out thus making him a crucial asset as HVMC's newest addition to our team. Steve also handles all of our ECU Flashing and Dyno Tuning.
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Steve is a great guy and really knows his stuff. Ive had him tune my sons 959 Corsa and my 1299 Anniversario and holy cow what a difference. After going over what I was looking for on both the SF and my V4 Speciale I’m sure they will both be amazing. The Mtorque is very good for an out of the box flash but I wanted it 100% perfect and a revamp of the throttle tables. The throttle was still not right with the Mtorque IMO. I should have both bikes back in a few weeks but it’s so FN cold out I can do much with them anyways......
 
TwoWheels said:
The above makes sense. I have no other choice but to buy the UpMap dongle and MTorque map for my SF. By doing this I hope to smooth out the ride as it surely runs "uneven" when riding with a constant throttle (same speed throttle on the high way) and I have the occasional issue with idle cut out. This happens when I start the bike up cold and want to pull away after idling for a minute or so. It pulls away and then splutters and mostly die if not blipped right away. Or I pull away and get to a stop 30 m from my house - when I pull the clutch I get the dreaded splutter and the SF dies... As vcyclenut says one gets skeptical after so many bull-dusters tell you their stuff works... so I have faith in UpMap because of all the testing by regular riders. Thanks!!
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Get do it. I got the MTorque map and definitely feel it's much better than stock fueling. Termi knows what they are doing.
 
Wondering if anyone knows the answer to this.

What about the evap canister emissions circuit post T800 flash?

I removed my canister, purge valve, and blocked off the throttle body ports.

Is that necessary with the T800 flash? Does the new map disable the purge valve?

May be insignificant, but the tune will not be as good as it can be with the purge valve running.
 
MaverickiB said:
It doesn't disable the purge valve. I picked up a purge valve eliminator plug from Smartmoto to solve that issue.
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Did the same. That valve eliminator is a great idea.

https://smartmoto-electronics.com/evap-canister-removal-kits
Besides disabling the valve with the smartmoto plug in, I think the canister must be removed, lines to throttle bodies plugged, vent to tank rerouted, or over time, without purge, the canister will fill and cause problems.

Correct me if I am wrong, I don't know that for certain.
 
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Pard said:
Did the same. That valve eliminator is a great idea.

https://smartmoto-electronics.com/evap-canister-removal-kits
Besides disabling the valve with the smartmoto plug in, I think the canister must be removed, lines to throttle bodies plugged, vent to tank rerouted, or over time, without purge, the canister will fill and cause problems.

Correct me if I am wrong, I don't know that for certain.
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From my experience, even a functional purge valve won't do much to stop a canister from being oversaturated after just one or two instances of overfilling. It's generally a good idea to get rid of it in general, but you are correct, it would likely speed up the rate at which the canister gets saturated with gas since there's no system to pull at least a little bit of that out on startup.
 
I did the purge valve eliminator, plugged the vacuum lines at the throttle bodies and did the secondary air block off plates with the eliminator plug for that as well.
 
the point at which the author lost ALL credibility


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Yeah, poorly written article in regards to what the system actually does. In reality, the AIS system doesn't hurt performance in any noticable degree or mess with fueling. It does, however, cause inaccuracies when using sniffers to detect A/F ratios on a dyno. So removing it is important to developing a proper tune for your machine. I removed mine to future-proof it for a custom tune and get rid of unnecessary tubing/weight.
 
Yeah, not really bad for the engine and indeed an option on some tuners to adjust the decel popping to suit different tastes.

What is the main benefit of getting rid of the SAS if using the T800?
 
MaverickiB said:
Yeah, poorly written article in regards to what the system actually does. In reality, the AIS system doesn't hurt performance in any noticable degree or mess with fueling. It does, however, cause inaccuracies when using sniffers to detect A/F ratios on a dyno. So removing it is important to developing a proper tune for your machine. I removed mine to future-proof it for a custom tune and get rid of unnecessary tubing/weight.
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I figured while I had the tank off and was fitting the Akra system I may as well do it all.

Pard said:
What is the main benefit of getting rid of the SAS if using the T800?
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Reduces the loud pops and flamethrower exhaust after removing the cats. So if you are doing a T-800 with an OEM exhaust its something you can skip.
 

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