- Joined
- Mar 11, 2018
- Messages
- 259
- Location
- Houston,TX
I've heard up map is not required it's just to get more money out of customer, just get someone to do PROPER flash & tune and you can extract even more power.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Help Support Ducati Forum:
I've heard up map is not required it's just to get more money out of customer, just get someone to do PROPER flash & tune and you can extract even more power.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
jarelj
Site Sponsor
- Joined
- Jul 20, 2012
- Messages
- 2,159
- Location
- Omaha, NE USA
The V4R will take the same Akra exhaust as the other V4 models, only difference is the mapping that gets downloaded to the ECU. When we first got them we were told to plan for around 6 hours and after installing a couple it was clear that it's a 2-day job for one tech to complete so we charge 10 hours for the install. I wish it wasn't that, but that's reality. Everything is so tightly packaged and lots of "stuff" to disassemble to get to everything and then put it all back together.
- Joined
- Feb 9, 2015
- Messages
- 912
- Location
- Central Jersey
My dealer charges 11.5 of labor for the Akra install on the V4. That was a deal breaker for me on the Speciale.
....all the price of entry in the ducati club - it is what it is - it won't be any cheaper next year, and its a pretty good bang for the buck when you stack it up against the car world - and given our (motorcycle) performance eclipses just about anything.....it (the v4 exhaust install at dealer level) is cheap by comparison
don't shoot me...i'm just the messenger
don't shoot me...i'm just the messenger
- Joined
- Jun 27, 2017
- Messages
- 459
- Location
- Denver, Colorado
....all the price of entry in the ducati club - it is what it is - it won't be any cheaper next year, and its a pretty good bang for the buck when you stack it up against the car world - and given our (motorcycle) performance eclipses just about anything.....it (the v4 exhaust install at dealer level) is cheap by comparison
don't shoot me...i'm just the messenger
All of that is true.
9k is about what I’ve heard...
Base price roughly 40...
Through in some taxes and BS prep/fees gets you in to the low to mid fifties...
But a at 9 k for a titanium drainpipe I do have to wonder what a V4 engine actually cost considering the price of a base....
All for me to pancake the thing at a track day
Base price roughly 40...
Through in some taxes and BS prep/fees gets you in to the low to mid fifties...
But a at 9 k for a titanium drainpipe I do have to wonder what a V4 engine actually cost considering the price of a base....
All for me to pancake the thing at a track day
- Joined
- Sep 10, 2013
- Messages
- 1,393
- Location
- East England, UK
Unless I'm mistaken all of the shots of the R already have the pipes with stock end cans? Maybe just not in titanium? so you may be able to get the full performance with slip-ons, just not the weight savings.
Just an observation.
Just an observation.
- Joined
- May 15, 2018
- Messages
- 69
- Location
- Texas
The "R" has different primary tubes than the other models. Is it possible the only real difference between it and the full Akra is the second half of the exhaust?
- Joined
- Jan 22, 2015
- Messages
- 296
- Location
- Saratoga N.Y
I need to dig deeper into this, I will report my findings..
Jarel basically said it all
- Joined
- Oct 12, 2014
- Messages
- 468
- Location
- Cincinnati
Man... this whole exhaust thing is nuts! I remember when I decided to do the full exhaust install on my 1199S... was it a pain, yes... did it take a while, yes... did I learn a .... ton about my bike, yes. In my opinion, if you have the tools and the time DIY.
The guy in the article was talking about not being able to extract same HP with aftermarket exhaust and dynotune for the price of the pipe or less... now that's a load of bull.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
The guy in the article was talking about not being able to extract same HP with aftermarket exhaust and dynotune for the price of the pipe or less... now that's a load of bull.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
jarelj
Site Sponsor
- Joined
- Jul 20, 2012
- Messages
- 2,159
- Location
- Omaha, NE USA
I've spent many hours of my life DIY-ing upgrades to my race bikes over the years, before I was in the Ducati business and after, so I'm not afraid to tackle most projects. However, after watching a few installs of this exhaust on V4's I would absolutely not want to try to do that myself. When you see a 15+ year experience Ducati Master Tech doing it and the whole time he's going "Man, this is a pain in the ass!" and it takes him 2 days, that's a pretty good indication that I don't want to do it myself!
BUT if you get a chance to ride a V4 with this exhaust and mapping, somehow it magically becomes worth it inside your helmet as you're screaming out of the last corner onto the straight. It's amazing what our enthusiast brains can justfiy!
- Joined
- Oct 12, 2014
- Messages
- 468
- Location
- Cincinnati
I've spent many hours of my life DIY-ing upgrades to my race bikes over the years, before I was in the Ducati business and after, so I'm not afraid to tackle most projects. However, after watching a few installs of this exhaust on V4's I would absolutely not want to try to do that myself. When you see a 15+ year experience Ducati Master Tech doing it and the whole time he's going "Man, this is a pain in the ass!" and it takes him 2 days, that's a pretty good indication that I don't want to do it myself!
BUT if you get a chance to ride a V4 with this exhaust and mapping, somehow it magically becomes worth it inside your helmet as you're screaming out of the last corner onto the straight. It's amazing what our enthusiast brains can justfiy!
Maybe one day I will be lucky enough to build one of these beasts for racing and experience this joy you speak of...
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
jarelj
Site Sponsor
- Joined
- Jul 20, 2012
- Messages
- 2,159
- Location
- Omaha, NE USA
- Joined
- Oct 12, 2014
- Messages
- 468
- Location
- Cincinnati
From your avatar it looks like you know EXACTLY what I'm talking about!
Indeed... they don't deal this stuff on street corners...
I was marveling at a base V4 at GNF... I can't recall the exact exhaust the guy had but man... did it sign a symphony around Barber!
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
- Joined
- May 29, 2013
- Messages
- 191
- Location
- San Francisco
Spoke to my dealer yesterday about the exhaust system while putting my order in and he also said the install is a major pain in the @$$. He says its worth it if you have the extra coin to spend but don't cut corners and try to have someone that doesn't specialize in V4's try to install it.
I changed my system twice on my 13' Panigale R, first time the shop didn't even put the damn thing back together right so I had to take the bike back to the dealer. I'm going to trust the process and order the exhaust with the new bike, at least we do get dealer installation back in 2013 they couldn't do the install.
I changed my system twice on my 13' Panigale R, first time the shop didn't even put the damn thing back together right so I had to take the bike back to the dealer. I'm going to trust the process and order the exhaust with the new bike, at least we do get dealer installation back in 2013 they couldn't do the install.
Similar threads
Register CTA
Register on Ducati Forum! This sidebar will go away, and you will see fewer ads.
Sign Up
