V4R Details?

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Desmolvr said:
So $39,995 like the Speciale.

Do you think that they could tune the V4R to have Peak HP at lower revs. Even though at this point we don't know if that is needed. At least it appears to be a much better platform to start with for WSBK.

It will be interesting to see if Bautista adapts quickly given that the motor is similar to the GP bike.
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Remember that the V4R

is not exactly what they race, It is a base, but that race bikes, are really different from the street bike they sold.

Don't know the details, but they are really different, believe me
 
That is true but as mentioned before they are basing the race bikes more & more on the models that are sold to the public. That is main reason that all of the manufacturers have been turning out LE\R\RF models.
 
Macattack said:
these are 2018 revv limits per manufacturer note this is the V2 pani R (L2)
Aprilia 14.700 rpm
BMW 14.700 rpm
Ducati 12.400 rpm
Honda 14.300 rpm
Kawasaki 14.100 rpm
MV Agusta 14.700 rpm
Suzuki 14.700 rpm
Yamaha 14.700rpm

Does anyone know what the V4R will be limited to and doesn't this kind of smash the advantage of the 16500 Rev limiter of the V4R ?

looks like the bike produces its peak stock power at 15250 rpm but I'm assuming the engine was built to be above this rpm for mx power when it is wsbk kitted.
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I assume if your peak power is high at whatever revs, there is more room to play with the curve. So even with a rev limit it would be possible to end up with lower peak output but a hell of a broad competitive range at lower revs. Just thinking and risking saying ........ here...
 
Here is an article that simply explains the rev limiter rules.
Kawasaki has just released a limited edition model with a different head and cam rocker followers to increase the revs as a homologated road model to get extra revs in their race bike for 2019.
Obviously Ducati has released now the short stroke V4R with a very high rev limit for a road bike. It’s all about winning WSBK races. If Ducati win races they will also lose revs throughout the season.
Crazy system.


https://www.motorcyclenews.com/sport/world-superbikes/2018/february/wsb-2018-rules-explained/
 
I don't quite follow you: what do you mean by "to get extra revs in their race bike"? The WSBK rule is an artificially set rev limit to cut back on what the engine would be capable of.

EDIT: Ah, I think I am getting it: so with a brand new homologization the revs should not be limited until the bike gets too competitive, when organizers would cap the revs for handicap...
 
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RODOLFO said:
Now with 1000cc class going absolutely to hell with all the new 1100cc bike

I believe the R just works for someone racing in a 1000cc regulated class

If you are using it for street, trackdays or racing in an OPEN CLASS, I believe you would be better with a V4S, with its mighty torque.

I used to like there was a standar of 1000cc were everyone compited on a level field, but now everyone is on their own boat
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I agree with you. Torque for street riding and especially city traffic is great to have especially at lower revs. This applies to bikes and even more so to cars. Whenever I drive my Shelby GT350 in city traffic and I'm driving relaxed and suddenly I need to pass someone or have to floor it from low revs....it's like nothing happens. Might as well have a 1.4 liter engine LOL

DCPanni said:
Winglets on the street are pretty useless too. Looks neat but useless at regular speeds.
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Not only that they are useless at high speeds too for highway top speed lunatics, because as Domenicali said it adds 30kg of downforce on that front end at 270km/h, thus the top speed freaks will find those winglets a nightmare for those extra 5km/h for speeds of over 300+.

Desmolvr said:
So $39,995 like the Speciale.

Do you think that they could tune the V4R to have Peak HP at lower revs. Even though at this point we don't know if that is needed. At least it appears to be a much better platform to start with for WSBK.

It will be interesting to see if Bautista adapts quickly given that the motor is similar to the GP bike.
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Probably they will be able to tune it but why do it since the bike's engine was built specifically to sustain high rpm loads for extended periods of time (titanium parts, forged pistons, lightened crank = all scream RPM)

DucSyd said:
Here is an article that simply explains the rev limiter rules.
Kawasaki has just released a limited edition model with a different head and cam rocker followers to increase the revs as a homologated road model to get extra revs in their race bike for 2019.
Obviously Ducati has released now the short stroke V4R with a very high rev limit for a road bike. It's all about winning WSBK races. If Ducati win races they will also lose revs throughout the season.
Crazy system.


https://www.motorcyclenews.com/sport/world-superbikes/2018/february/wsb-2018-rules-explained/
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Wow didn't know that! Thanks for the article! Thank God there isn't such nonsense in MotoGP
 
AndreiD said:
Wow didn't know that! Thanks for the article! Thank God there isn't such nonsense in MotoGP
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like unlimited engines and test for the teams with less 5 podiums (i don ´t rememember the exactly number). :pag
 
Yes the Speciale did but I am guessing that it has been a nightmare and was the last one.
 
OK so by the time you add the extras onto the V4R such as mag wheels, akra system, rear sets etc, its going to be north of £50K UK GBP but the list price here ( £40K UK GBP) is the same as the Speciale in the UK, so apart from the extras included with the Speciale, does it not seem a lot now compared to the R's price? Granted you get the electronic suspension, paintjob and a few bolts ons thrown in but the R offers all the really expensive mods such as the augmented engine internals included in the price. Disappointed however, that on the R it's not all carbon bodywork and mag wheels included. As its not a limited edition, in volume production, it can't cost them that much more to have added in some extra pazzaz to the out of the crate specs besides the engine.

Walkaround video here:

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This applies to bikes and even more so to cars. Whenever I drive my Shelby GT350 in city traffic and I'm driving relaxed and suddenly I need to pass someone or have to floor it from low revs....it's like nothing happens. Might as well have a 1.4 liter engine LOL
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I have a 2018 GT350, and its ok in city traffic for me. Plus I really like to scare people in tunnels with it.
 
topolino said:
Disappointed however, that on the R it's not all carbon bodywork and mag wheels included. As its not a limited edition, in volume production ...
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This is not new. The days of the carbon fiber/limited edition "R" ended with the Panigale 1199R. Ducati is saving the cf and limited production treatment for the super high priced Superleggera models. Maybe it's an Audi business model thing.
 
Alf said:
This is not new. The days of the carbon fiber/limited edition "R" ended with the Panigale 1199R. Ducati is saving the cf and limited production treatment for the super high priced Superleggera models. Maybe it's an Audi business model thing.
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Still hard to justify fitting plastics when you are asking $52K for a bike.
 

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