V4R or M1000RR

Seismic · Feb 23, 2021

Hi All,

I have been lurking around for a while considering a V4R as the next bike, seeing it as currently being the most interesting superbike in the market. With the new BMW M1000RR coming out, I started consider if this could be an option as well, since it (at first glance) looked like a significant step up from the 1000RR. Going through the M specs, I was a bit surprised to learn that while BMW has poured some gold into the engine of the bike, the suspension and brakes seem far from race quality. M Brakes are (in my honest opinion) a bad excuse for just throwing OEM components on the bike and Marzocchi suspension seems mediocre at best. Looking around on the net, it seems that BMW may have taken this decision in order to invest in the parts of the bike which will stay for WSBK use while down-prioritizing the components that the race teams will take off the bike anyway. Now, while this make good sense if you are a race team, it is not necessarily ideal for the consumers. Purchasing a +40K bike and having to add proper suspension and brakes seems like a stretch. Maybe this is the road leading back to the V4R eventually. Any thoughts?

Oilcanboyd · Feb 23, 2021

Brand Loyalty?, V4 versus I4?, Track versus Street?

saccardo · Feb 23, 2021

You’re on a Ducati forum. You may get slightly biased answers.

That said, buy the V4R and never look back. I sure did (and many on this forum have as well).

Seismic · Feb 23, 2021

Indeed a Ducati forum and mainly here as I have been riding Ducatis before. Just an observation on the competition and how they (IMHO) are making their own life difficult.

Roc · Feb 23, 2021

I will say this, I came from the jap bike world, gsxr land, I always wanted a Ducati so I got the v4, but it’s troubling to hear some of these issues I’m hearing and when I did my exhaust, I found lots of bolts stripped from the factory which the dealership came to my house and took pictures and still waiting for my replacement parts, so when people say superior built and built by hand, I’d like to meet the guy who built my bike and slap him like a bitch!! If Bmw builds bikes like there cars, I’d run brother, fast and far, there cars are built like ...., since I work on them everyday. Tough call, I’d say Ducati but with what I’ve seen with mine, I’m not sold on Ducati and when mine gives me trouble, I’ll send it! Here’s 2 pics of there Ducati quality.

RickD996 · Feb 23, 2021

Depends on usage and budget. I have an S1000RR '15 which I race, and a V4R prepped for racing, but only tracked it so far.

I'm faster on the BMW, but the V4R is more enjoyable to own. Also, engine maintenance for the V4 is a lot more expensive than the BMW.

Both are essentially base model bikes with a few upgrades. Neither are really worth the money over their lesser stablemates, law of diminishing returns etc.

Head BMW, heart Ducati.

And BMW probably easier to get through noise restrictions at tracks.

Phl · Feb 23, 2021

Welcome back Seismic

What's your intended use for the bike? street, trackdays, racing? let's not forget Starbucks?

Seismic · Feb 23, 2021

Phl said:
Welcome back Seismic

What's your intended use for the bike? street, trackdays, racing? let's not forget Starbucks?

Not too much of a Starbukker....while I would love to say that the bike will see most track (wishfull thinking), it will most likely end up as a mix between some backroad riding and some track days whenever time permits.

Phl · Feb 23, 2021

what particular features on the R are you looking for?

i mean, there's a great potential of making a "good enough" / better bike suited to you out of an S (or even a base) by allovating the funds adequately ( carbon wheels, suspension, etc.) but you lose the R badge and the street cred, while gaining the satisfaction of having a bike tailored to you...

Paul G · Feb 23, 2021

This ^^

Phl · Feb 23, 2021

Should have said Allocating...

Paul G · Feb 23, 2021

This is a common question v4 vs s1000, in my mind its an easy choice, BMW for getting the job done all the time but without emotion and Ducati for getting the job done most of the time but with passion all of the time. Build quality- Ive heard it all but apart from unrealistic expectations no modern superbike is "badly built". We have had threads from the anal retentives who rebuild a Ducati "as it should have been built" but there are plenty who just ride them in their imperfect state like myself with 35,000 on the 1299 from new with hand on heart zero issues. Just buy the one you like, youre not going to go any faster on one or the other, in the end the big money will be lost to tires and depreciation for both but pick the Ducati of course

Roc · Feb 23, 2021

Paul G said:
This is a common question v4 vs s1000, in my mind its an easy choice, BMW for getting the job done all the time but without emotion and Ducati for getting the job done most of the time but with passion all of the time. Build quality- Ive heard it all but apart from unrealistic expectations no modern superbike is "badly built". We have had threads from the anal retentives who rebuild a Ducati "as it should have been built" but there are plenty who just ride them in their imperfect state like myself with 35,000 on the 1299 from new with hand on heart zero issues. Just buy the one you like, youre not going to go any faster on one or the other, in the end the big money will be lost to tires and depreciation for both but pick the Ducati of course

very nice write up

cmh210 · Feb 23, 2021

BMW cars can be ...., but the bikes seem to be decently solid machines that hold up. Go figure.

JSR29 · Feb 23, 2021

Buy the bike that speaks to you that you can afford. The rest is just mental mastrubation.

CSV4 · Feb 23, 2021

I'd be more inclined to get an R if Alvaro or Scott had won a world championship. For 40k I want to think I have something that in some version is the best in the world. It probably is the best bike... and Rea the best rider...

Andy7 · Feb 23, 2021

CSV4 said:
It probably is the best bike... and Rea the best rider...

Spot on, just looking at the factory teams Ducati did finish ahead of Kawasaki in the WSBK. Not to mention Josh Brooks and Wayne Maxwell in the BSB and ASBK.
I have no idea about the MotoAmerica results tho.

Don14R · Feb 23, 2021

In which of those series do the Germans have a factory team entered?

CSV4 · Feb 23, 2021

wsbk for sure... they've not done very well

farmind · Feb 24, 2021

Damed Marzocchi forks, was enough to put me of, I would compare SP to V4R as a better choice for me.

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