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Hence a dilemma, I'm fast on BMW than on V4R 2019. Maybe it's non linear power delivery that I still can't get used to.
 
....19 ok know I understand your pricing

how big of a discrepancy are we talking? what's the time difference?
 
KarlKani said:
....19 ok know I understand your pricing

how big of a discrepancy are we talking? what's the time difference?
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the pricing is for 23 model. I got a quote sitting in front of me now - 40.6k for a new bike and akra (before tax).
If I say to match Alpha's M1000RR offering in a decent config - this leaves me with 10k to spend on extras.

The tempting bit about BMW is Motec with data recordings, I do look at data to figure out where I suck.
Another one is linear power delivery. I know they have refined this in V4R 2023, I havent tried it yet.

the time diff is going down now, I think I finally got my head around how to ride it.

Another aspect in the dilemma, looks like BMW is working on 2025 model behind the scenes. I know people who test-rode whatever prototype they have this year. Its a bit early ofc but with recent WSBK changes - I wonder if BMW is hugely investing in the platform. V4R 2023 seems like EOL platform, especially if you factor in 2024 WSBK rule changes. However, I probably overthink a bit here for a trackday rider.
 
40k with Akra is a deal - but I don't believe you, lets see your quote...
No one is giving 4k off the bike and throwing in a 8k exhaust

2023 V4R is faster, easier to ride. I had a 19 R before the 23

why won't you say what the time difference is?

BMW is never HUGELY investing in motorcycles unless its for GS. There will also be a new V4R in 25
 
Having been a V4, 1199, s1k, and hp4 owner I can speak unbiased and say the V4R. Not even a discussion.
 
KarlKani said:
40k with Akra is a deal - but I don't believe you, lets see your quote...
No one is giving 4k off the bike and throwing in a 8k exhaust

2023 V4R is faster, easier to ride. I had a 19 R before the 23

why won't you say what the time difference is?

BMW is never HUGELY investing in motorcycles unless its for GS. There will also be a new V4R in 25
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Apparently Ducati pays some cash back once bike is road registered to semi-dealers. Exhaust is 6.3k before tax, not 8.

Time diff is 1-3 seconds, but consistent from track to track.
 
KarlKani said:
40k with Akra is a deal - but I don't believe you, lets see your quote...
No one is giving 4k off the bike and throwing in a 8k exhaust

2023 V4R is faster, easier to ride. I had a 19 R before the 23

why won't you say what the time difference is?

BMW is never HUGELY investing in motorcycles unless its for GS. There will also be a new V4R in 25
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I ....... miss Motec software.




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craig bush said:
Good deal.

Why did they give you a $10k discount?
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discount is 2-3k. its standard price these days. I got 2 quotes from unrelated people at the same level.
I mentioned this earlier, they get some kind of Ducati cashback moneys if bike is road registered once.
 
panibadboy said:
discount is 2-3k. its standard price these days. I got 2 quotes from unrelated people at the same level.
I mentioned this earlier, they get some kind of Ducati cashback moneys if bike is road registered once.
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Msrp is 44,995 usd for the bike and 7995 for the exhaust - 53k.

40,600 euro is 43,100 usd - 9900 discount.

Helluva deal but seems questionably relevant to anyone else who doesn’t have access to special pricing or not buying leftovers late in the year once they’ve been discounted.
 
craig bush said:
Msrp is 44,995 usd for the bike and 7995 for the exhaust - 53k.

40,600 euro is 43,100 usd - 9900 discount.

Helluva deal but seems questionably relevant to anyone else who doesn’t have access to special pricing or not buying leftovers late in the year once they’ve been discounted.
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what can I say, Italians in Italy can give better pricing on Italy motorbike
 

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