V4S vs. Speciale

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OK, folks, would anyone like to talk me into the Speciale over the V4S (with full Akra exhaust)?

The price difference is about $6,000. There are some cosmetic differences, and the limited edition could help maintain value. Any other issues to consider? I like the looks of both.

Cheers,

JK
 
If you like to buy the accessories thats a benefit of the Speciale.


Speciale - Same standard features as the Panigale V4 S with the exception of;
Carbon fibre front/rear mudguards
Machined-from-solid top yoke with identification number
Alcantara® seat
Dedicated handle grips
Adjustable foot pegs
Carbon fiber heel guard
Carbon fiber cover swinging arm
Racing articulated levers
Brake level protection
Supplied kit with V4 Speciale
Full racing titanium Ducati Performance by Akrapovič exhaust system
Racing screen
Plate holder removal kit
Machined-from solid mirror replacement plugs
Ducati Data Analyser+ GPS (DDA + GPS)
Bike cover
Racing fuel tank cap
 
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It's really up to your personal tastes. Do you want a limited edition paint scheme and numbered triple clamp S model that comes with the Akrapovic full exhaust and some other DP cosmetic, bike cover and track based goodies? If you don't care about the goodies other than the exhaust - get the S. It is a similar argument for the base model vs. S; e.g.: Showa and lead battery vs. Ohlins electronic suspension 2.0 and li ion battery.
 
If you build a V4S up to a Speciale all the parts will depreciate pretty much immediately and won't be easily reflective in the resale value or insurance replacement should the V4S be crashed or stolen..
 
That's an interesting point. How you get to having the extra parts will reflect on resale/replacement value. I hadn't considered that. I want the Akra exhaust either way; perhaps the immediate depreciation on getting that for the S model could defray in large part the extra cost for the residual difference between the S and Speciale.
 
My advice....

Wait a year. If you still want a speciale buy a used low mile one and let one if the other suckers take the depreciation when they trade it in on the r model. Also, if you wait you can decide if you want the r or not. Lastly ....first year production bike...let them work out the kinks.

Just my take on it
 
jdkerner said:
OK, folks, would anyone like to talk me into the Speciale over the V4S (with full Akra exhaust)?

The price difference is about $6,000. There are some cosmetic differences, and the limited edition could help maintain value. Any other issues to consider? I like the looks of both.

Cheers,

JK
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In my opinion there's nothing special about the Speciale. Essentially its a Tri Colore and the only one of those that hold value it seems it the 1098S Tri. The Panigale Tri doesn't seem to do very well, and don't get it twisted, I love these. You are better off waiting for the R if you're considering value.

At the end the day yes it's a numbered bike but, The only time you'll see value is 30 years from now when you could say you have one of the first year. 2018 is a nice number ;)
 
Frankly I feel like Ducati is getting carried away with all these specialty bikes… It’s taking away from the real Significant limited edition bikes.

Like the Panigale Final Edition and the Anniversario ...Those could’ve been the same damn bike LOL.
 
DUCENZO said:
Frankly I feel like Ducati is getting carried away with all these specialty bikes"¦ It's taking away from the real Significant limited edition bikes.

Like the Panigale Final Edition and the Anniversario ...Those could've been the same damn bike LOL.
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Completely agree with the first line.
Second line I don't know about though - those bikes are very different in many ways. Even different as far as engine. Besides - one is an anniversary bike and one is a final edition and so they might have been able drop them the same year but since they came out more a year apart I don't know that they could have melted the anniversary edition and the final edition together.
 
Yeh they seem to be forgetting the uniqueness of limited edition bikes, i guess being owned by VW now means its all about bringing in the moolah.
Proper limited edition bikes to me are something like the Desmo RR, or the MV Agusta Zagato. Either unique by engine or body.
 
Guys,

Ducati wouldn’t do it if there were not buyers falling over themselves to buy one!

I know I have a Speciale on order, paid a deposit and have had 3 calls from the dealer to keep asking about my commitment as they have other buyers who want one but the allocation is full.

I can drop back to an S at any time if I wanted to.

Everyone has a choice, no one is forcing me to buy the Speciale.

I am a rider not a collector, so not interested in any potential future gain ( if that even happens) I pity those guys who buy them as “ investments” and take up allocations from those that actually want to ride their bikes.

As for the R, I want a road bike not a track or race bike, so not interested in the R models.
 
DucSyd said:
Guys,

Ducati wouldn't do it if there were not buyers falling over themselves to buy one!

I know I have a Speciale on order, paid a deposit and have had 3 calls from the dealer to keep asking about my commitment as they have other buyers who want one but the allocation is full.

I can drop back to an S at any time if I wanted to.

Everyone has a choice, no one is forcing me to buy the Speciale.

I am a rider not a collector, so not interested in any potential future gain ( if that even happens) I pity those guys who buy them as " investments" and take up allocations from those that actually want to ride their bikes.

As for the R, I want a road bike not a track or race bike, so not interested in the R models.
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Just out of interest DucSyd, do you mind sharing what they are charging for the Speciale here in Aus?
 
Speciale is nice but none of these bikes are an investment the SL included, just buy what you like and what floats your boat.

we can all be very cynical about these so called limited edition bikes but it's cool to see some change in the lineup and a good option for those that don't want the hassle of buying aftermarket parts and getting them installed etc just don't think you can buy one of these and flip it for a few $$ or that it will retain it's value as you are in for a wake up call when it comes to resale.
 
MV have been limited runs for a long while, as you say they’ve lost their shine.

Aside from a number there’s nothing on the Speciale that you can’t get from a parts catalog and a wrap/paint job. The R will be the one to have but I can’t help feeling that I’m now priced out of that one. Rumour has it there will be a price cap increase coming for 2019 WSBK
 
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There already is a price cap, in place, it is €40,000 for a road going bike.

A big change for 2018 is that all factory additional parts will have a capped price, and must be available to any team that wants to buy them, so no factory unobtainable parts for the factory teams. Although Ducati has been operating under restrictions since they got the go ahead to have 1200cc twin.

Other big change will be the rev limiting rules, now that is going to be interesting.

All very complicated, best Ducati go to. A4 cylinder so at least the complicated rules can be across an even playing field.
 
BTrain5489 said:
I'd wait on the R before I shelled out basically R money for the Speciale.
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My thoughts as well, is like I know they have to account for inflation and cost of technology but, bumping these prices up on especially the Speciale which is basically a Tri Colore is ridiculous. That means the R will be about $45-$46k and if it gets the Mag wheels option you looking at $49K USD.
Quite frankly at $45K for the V4R I'd buy a used 1199SL (Ive seen for sale in mid forties). Now that's bang for the buck!!!

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Agree, but the R is a homologation 1000cc and won't have the bottom end of the 1100 , which is a pity.
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Ehhh I think it's kinda premature to say that it won't have the bottom end as the 1100. I'm sure they'll find a way or already have a way but saving it for the production R.
Surely the WSBK V4R won't suffer a lack of low end !!!
 
Ducatis are all special whether it is a base, S, Speciale, R, SL, Desmo or a HyperScrambleMultiMonster. You get my point. Who cares if the base buyer bought his bike to race and doesn't want the e-suspension or the S buyer wants to pose or it's another buyer's intro into the brand? To each his/her own.
 

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