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If your looking to order the cool carbon SL parts, you might want to sit down before you see the pricing: frame-15k, swingarm-22k, wheels-11k, subframe-6k, wings (1k ea)=4k
 
KarlKani said:
Look this bike like 90% of Ducati’s sold if for guys to ride a round a bit and look cool. That is why gimmicks like electronic suspension exist and are featured in this bike
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Are you suggesting this is not a seriously competent sport motorcycle for going seriously fast on if you have the skills?
 
How would the carbon wheels hold up to constant tire changes in track use? I was talking to someone who does a lot of California SuperBike schools. They use the S1000RR M but I understand they take the carbon wheels off and use the alloy ones.
 
I've been using carbon wheels for two years, track only. I change my own tires with no issue, just have to be a little more careful with the pressure you exert.
 
KarlKani said:
I am saying in you have skills and want to go seriously fast you aren’t buying this bike most likely


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Hmm, perhaps you're right
That could be the knock on most fast, Italian exotica..
As Micheal Rutter's youtube video of him riding a stock v4 Speciale around the island, you don't need an R to go seriously fast, and the stock v4 Pani out of the box is a seriously competent weapon
 
Thats nothing more than a straw man argument, and it makes you sound bitter. It's not a race bike designed to extract the last few tenths in a lap, nor is it meant to be one. This bike, along with the R, in fact the base model for that matter; are capable of more than all but the most skilled riders can extract. I suppose you think that you're one of the few that's able to extract all that the R has to offer, so this model is not worthy; somehow inferior to your skills? If so, what year did you win the AMA championship, or was it BSB? Maybe we have an honest to goodness WSBK rider in our midst? Gimmick suspension? Well, a truly talented rider is throwing the stock R stuff, right in the bin, so what's your point? I suppose it makes some feel superior, not having the electronically adjustable stuff, they bought an R, so that means they're "seriously fast". If electronic suspension adjustment were a "gimmick" why is it used extensively in the auto industry? Maybe you're an Ohlins technician, and so adept at adjusting suspension settings that you stop to adjust your suspension based on the current road conditions, like the electronic suspension does automatically? Impressive.
 
Nobody is knocking your choice to get one friend, you can relax a bit. If it makes you happy, it's the right bike for you. Not everyone has the time or patience to buy a base model or whatever and do all the upgrades themselves. You can chalk the extra premium on the price up as a convenience fee, which makes complete sense.

Cool the jets a little bit. As far as electronic suspension goes, you are wrong. Most riders who frequent the track, even not particularly skilled ones, often turn off adaptive suspension. The major flaw in electronic suspension is the lack of consistency. A less refined but static suspension is better than a premium component inconsistent suspension. I'm sure it will continue to get better, but currently electronic suspension is not good at producing an identical feel every time you enter the same corner. No big deal on the road, but confidence ruining on the track. Once again, this is not something that takes a pro level rider to notice. I rode a V4S on the street and the electronic suspension was way better than my base model Showa BPFs. Went to the track and banged out some laps on a friends V4S and it was a completely different story, no matter how much I tried to adjust the adaptive settings, I could not get corners to feel the same every time. Ended up just turning it off and going with the static mechanical settings. I'm a mid-B group rider and I noticed that.
 
Desmolvr said:
How would the carbon wheels hold up to constant tire changes in track use? I was talking to someone who does a lot of California SuperBike schools. They use the S1000RR M but I understand they take the carbon wheels off and use the alloy ones.
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Carbon Wheels and tire changes are simple enough - first choice to do the job would be a No-Mar Tire Changer - delrin tipped demount and mounting bar, along with delrin clamps to hold the wheel in place mean no damage whatsoever - look here:
https://www.nomartirechanger.com/
 
1299rFE said:
We need pics !
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As soon as the dealer finished building it! Almost 6 months into this whole thing and they finally have it on the lift and all the parts on hand.
oh, and I’ll have to figure out how to post pictures here...
 
37K for the SP, or 42K for the 916 Anniversario seems like a no brainer. I don't think the 916 Anni. has the updated EVO2 software does it?
 
Not sure if this was posted before, but here is a bit on the SP. Sounds nice if you are looking for something around the V4S level...

 
BTrain5489 said:
Has anyone ridden the R and the base/S back to back on the same track on the same day?
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I have.

I rode the R and the S in back to back sessions on the track. I found the R to be noticeably easier to ride and I felt I could turn way better and much more intuitively. I didn't like the electronic suspension on the S. Important to mention that the S was a Speciale so that was that first year frame and I think that the R frame (shared on all the newer Panigales) makes a difference. Also, the wings make a difference that you can really feel above 150mph, although I still think they're ugly.

However, of note, both bikes are so freaking fast that when I had a knee down in the corners, I had a challenging time getting my head and elbow right down because I couldn't get a good feel for doing that without slightly rolling on the throttle. And that fly by wire throttle is so damn light and the bike has so much power that I kept making these little surges of acceleration when I didn't want them.

Obviously I could get used to it in time and learn to be more delicate with the light throttle but it's worth pointing out because it highlights just how much power these bikes have. I don't know who in their right minds would use the power to differentiate the two bikes. They are so far beyond crazy. It's really a matter of which has the best feel for you and would allow you to have the best time and smile the most.
 
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I’m seeing $2k for the set of wings plus a set of widebody fairings. Do we think they’re OEM painted fairings for that price?
Black wings on a black bike like the SP, yes, but how about colour matching wings on a red bike?
 

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