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DSSA on BMW in WSBK is struggling a lot as can be seen on Gerloff and Redding, it keeps eating rear tire.

I bet if they put Toprack on SSSA Ducati, he will clean everything as well.
 
01COCCOBET said:
" I " expect a DUCATI CHALLENGE/TROFEO in the future......and I hope with the new V4R.
:)
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Of course a new thing will always win. No one argues that electronics is much better.

SSSA vs DSSA in SBK/STK today? I think timing wise they are the same today.

Is it easier to work with DSSA geometry? Maybe, altho SBK team has 0 data on it.
 
My engineer's friends tell me that it is easier to manage the rigidity and simmetrical behavior from LH / RH.
I have no real deep knowledge, apart some frame studies.
Also the design of the new tires will add some more challenges.
Only the track and time will tell us, so let's just be open minded and relaxed.
My curiosity to test it on the track is skyrocketing!!!!
 
Pretty excited about the R version…I’m gunna paint mine a dark navy matte blue with a giant DUCATI logo in Ducati Red on those side panels.
 
Didn't mean to offend you ! But just sounds too categorical IMO


One more example if anyone cares about it, based on us mere mortals.

Rehm Racing is the largest trackday organizers in EU. They do races every event. The guy who consistently been cleaning up top 3 places since 2020, rides SSSA swingarm from Sutter. That's based on Mugello, Misano and Red Bull Ring tracks. He is not a proper racer, but he trained a lot with Patrick Hobelsberger

Can he be faster on DSSA? Sure, time will tell
 
panibadboy said:
Didn't mean to offend you ! But just sounds too categorical IMO


One more example if anyone cares about it, based on us mere mortals.

Rehm Racing is the largest trackday organizers in EU. They do races every event. The guy who consistently been cleaning up top 3 places since 2020, rides SSSA swingarm from Sutter. That's based on Mugello, Misano and Red Bull Ring tracks. He is not a proper racer, but he trained a lot with Patrick Hobelsberger

Can he be faster on DSSA? Sure, time will tell
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It seems like you are really married emotionally to a SSSA. I’m not, the selling point for Ducati for me has always been that engine.

I’m not in the camp of “They COULD have kept the SSSA so they MUST”

Whatever helps me get that bike around the track faster I’m in for, as long as it’s still fun.

Personally I think if they make the chassis handling characteristics a bit more accessible to us mortal riders while still keeping that visceral engine it’s a very good thing.
 
Steven31371 said:
It seems like you are really married emotionally to a SSSA. I’m not, the selling point for Ducati for me has always been that engine.

I’m not in the camp of “They COULD have kept the SSSA so they MUST”

Whatever helps me get that bike around the track faster I’m in for, as long as it’s still fun.

Personally I think if they make the chassis handling characteristics a bit more accessible to us mortal riders while still keeping that visceral engine it’s a very good thing.
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I am exactly to your point, especially on the FUN part🤙🏻
 
Seems to me that the catch phrase for this bike is “Accessible Speed”.

Meaning the driving force behind the whole project is ‘how can we make this bike faster for non-professional riders.’

Of all the strategic choices they could’ve made that seems like a pretty good one to me.
 
SSSA is doable in WSBK as evidence by their recent championships and how well the other Ducati teams are going. There’s probably a HP limit to it being feasible and that’s why you don’t see it in GP. But Gigi is solely focused on results and is basically making a homologated GP bike. Boring. It would’ve been cool to see some differentiation in the series. It’s just going to be an Italian M1000RR (seems like a horrible combination).

If Ducati were truly innovative, they would’ve leveraged 3D printed tech and generative design to solve this “problem.” But alas they’re going backwards (even though you rubes think it’s going forwards), which is a shame.
 
Also if you think that this new bike is a second faster than the previous gen, Ducati marketing has a bridge to sell you. They were only able to achieve this with upgrade front braking system and SCX tires.

IN THE RACE, the difference between the 22 bike and 25 bike was 0.4 sec for fastest lap set by Pecco both years. Not the 1+ sec that Ducati marketing makes you believe.
 
panibadboy said:
Didn't mean to offend you ! But just sounds too categorical IMO


One more example if anyone cares about it, based on us mere mortals.

Rehm Racing is the largest trackday organizers in EU. They do races every event. The guy who consistently been cleaning up top 3 places since 2020, rides SSSA swingarm from Sutter. That's based on Mugello, Misano and Red Bull Ring tracks. He is not a proper racer, but he trained a lot with Patrick Hobelsberger

Can he be faster on DSSA? Sure, time will tell
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Take aesthetics completely out of it…do you think that from an engineering standpoint alone that an SSSA is a superior foundation for a swingarm than a DSSA?

Like do you think it’s a superior engineering technology in terms of performance to a DSSA?
 
SuperDomestique said:
You think this is because of the bike or the rider?
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Well Bautista beat him while he was on a Yamaha, but didn’t beat him while he’s on a BMW…Bautista seems to have lost something this year, possible injury. But Toprak is the same rider on a better bike this year, so the bike has SOMETHING to do with it.
 
spooky said:
Do you think they will win this year? I don’t think so.
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Not likely this year. Toprak has gelled with the bmw and dorna has neutered the Ducati with extra weight, so it will be a tough go for anyone else. I do find it odd that Kawasaki and British Rea was able to win so many races with no penalty, but when Ducati figured out their bike/rider combo it stopped it after just two seasons. Maybe because Johnny was so slow? Hell, Lowes has the Kawi running up front again. Yamaha/Honda just sucks.
 
SuperDomestique said:
Also if you think that this new bike is a second faster than the previous gen, Ducati marketing has a bridge to sell you. They were only able to achieve this with upgrade front braking system and SCX tires.

IN THE RACE, the difference between the 22 bike and 25 bike was 0.4 sec for fastest lap set by Pecco both years. Not the 1+ sec that Ducati marketing makes you believe.
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Fair enough, but those are professional riders, I actually think the gap of improvement with us may be higher than a second, because most of us aren’t pushing these bikes to their limits. If more of the bike’s speed is accessible to us then our margin of gain in real life is improved.

If the old bike was at a 10 and the new bike is at a 10.5, pecco improves by 0.5

But me and you are only riding these bike at 6 out of 10…if we move to a bike that lets us ride at 8 out of 10.5 then me and you got ALOT faster.

Accessible speed is more important than top possible speed for guys like me and you.
 
Steven31371 said:
It seems like you are really married emotionally to a SSSA. I’m not, the selling point for Ducati for me has always been that engine.

I’m not in the camp of “They COULD have kept the SSSA so they MUST”

Whatever helps me get that bike around the track faster I’m in for, as long as it’s still fun.

Personally I think if they make the chassis handling characteristics a bit more accessible to us mortal riders while still keeping that visceral engine it’s a very good thing.
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I'm not. I just disagree with categorical statements like Ducati chose performance over aesthetics and that's why they switched to DSSA - this is a pile of .....

I fully understand DSSA is the way forward and it's stupid to keep 2 technologies but Ducati introduced it just to have a reason to sell a new bike.

Why anyone in their sane mind would put cash out to upgrade 2 y.o. V4S or V4R that already cost a fortune otherwise?? DSSA is this marketing trick that enables or justifies the upgrade.

That's all I'm saying. Ducati didn't choose anything, just expected evolution of the platform to sell more. Same as iPhone 11,12,13,14 you name it
 

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