What are everyones thoughts on the 'NEW' 2020 V4's

we are all NOT Scott,of course,but the V4 2020 is a darN quick hell of a Duc,if not all the fastest bike.
I am impressed by the laptime

He probably destroyed his tires in that one lap!

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we are all NOT Scott,of course...

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Well you seem to come close looking at your Mugello videos?
Were you the "amateur coming within 6 sec of Pirro" Domenicali referred to when presenting the 2020 model to the world? LOL

RdashP said:

Well you seem to come close looking at your Mugello videos?
Were you the "amateur coming within 6 sec of Pirro" Domenicali referred to when presenting the 2020 model to the world? LOL

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I thought about it for a moment,then I woke up all wet

Anyway I am trying hard to improve my riding style,that is the most challenging thing I have ever done.
No V4 can beat the thrills and fears of changing your ride positions and how you brake and get to the throttle.......of course the Pani's adding-up some more shaking and wheeling to make you more " comfortable " ah ah ah
BTW Mugello is ny nightmare,I am really not suited for this track yet.

This is the third day ever in Jerez,with no rear brake due to a fitting problem I had.

Looking at the extra gaping holes crafted in the magnesium front frame of the V4R and V4(S) from 2020 onwards, I had a déjà vu moment:



Wasn't this the same lack of front-end feel Rossi with the GP11/GP12 and others after him were battling?

If so, why did DMH again design a ridged frontal frame for the V4 if their Corse department already had issues relating this construction addressed in the GP16, before the V4 - based on GP15 - left the drawing board into production around 2017?
In other words: even though you can't compare a custom Desmosedici GP bike to a normal V4 production bike 1:1, why make -design-wise and (con)structurally- a similar 'mistake' twice?

What are are the cons to having more flex with these extra holes, besides the obvious advertised benefits?

I think Rossi’s bike had a full carbon fiber frame that was stiff, it would offer some flex when the bike was leaned over but it was snappy, that is no flex then a sudden flex. Frame flex is very important as when the bike is leaned over the suspension is not really helping with ripples and bumps and helping to put the power down. As for me being 57 and riding backroads none of it means squat to me, or most people here.

My 2018 was totaled this week after a women pulled out from a shopping center here in Scottsdale. I put my deposit down on a 2020, and I'll probably ask to leave the wings off because apparently it ships without them. I owed around 21k on the 2018, so I might get a few grand to put down on the new Pani as well besides another chunk from savings.

JHTmcrider said:

My 2018 was totaled this week after a women pulled out from a shopping center here in Scottsdale. I put my deposit down on a 2020, and I'll probably ask to leave the wings off because apparently it ships without them. I owed around 21k on the 2018, so I might get a few grand to put down on the new Pani as well besides another chunk from savings.

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probably you are not seriously hurt,since you are buying another bike,but I am sorry to hear about your crash.
Anyway good choice fir the 2020 V4,it seems a good call ;-)

Holy crap JHT, I wish you a speedy full recovery from your collision. Post some pix of your wingless bike when you get it. Congrats

JHT, Feel better man! I look forward to your qualified and unbiased opinion on the 2018/19 and 2020 V4S.

Well I rode the new 2020 in a demo ride and I must say the re-gearing of 1-2-3 was a solid improvement. At least in my particular ride, I felt less like the bike was kicking me in the ass when shifting up than on my Corse. It felt smoother even in Race mode. Also, the cylinder deactivation that occurs must really work because my nuts were not toasty throughout the entire ride. Even swapping over to the V2 with my buddy who rode the V4 S after me said the same thing. Can't say the same for the V2 though, TOASTY!

Either way, I didn't know how they would be able to improve on the 2020 bikes, but I can say the ride was much improved and you aren't going to lose any further teeth on bumps on the 2020s.

Thanks very much! I am heading to the dealer today to drop off a check for 4k and hopefully I'll have her in the garage by next week.

torrific said:

Well I rode the new 2020 in a demo ride and I must say ... Also, the cylinder deactivation that occurs must really work because my nuts were not toasty throughout the entire ride....

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cylinder deactivation still ONLY when stationary, NOT during riding
Refer to confirmation by Factory After-Sales in https://ducatiforum.com/threads/new-evo-2-software.39290/page-7#post-347217

RdashP said:

cylinder deactivation still ONLY when stationary, NOT during riding
Refer to confirmation by Factory After-Sales in New evo 2 software

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Still a very noticeable difference in heat compared to the 19's. On that quick ride, you can feel the heat from the onset and in the same stopped location on my test ride, I did not notice the heat compared to when I rode the '19. Even comparing it to the V2, it was undeniable that the cylinder deactivation will help with the overall heat dissipation.

I don't notice it as much because my Corse has a lot of ceramic heat shielding under my seat, but a stock V4, you will feel it.

torrific said:

Still a very noticeable difference in heat compared to the 19's.

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Indeed the wider new/R fairings with gills help shed heat off more efficiently compared to the much sleeker 18-19 fairing.
Besides more wind-protection for rider, that's why Ducati re-shaped to 'R' fairing to meet these requirements.

Although my 18S gets hot in warm climate combined with slow traffic, heat was never a real issue for me even wearing normal jeans.
Besides annoying clutch-fade due to boiling fluid. Remedied with a higher temp specced type.

torrific said:

... it was undeniable that the cylinder deactivation will help with the overall heat dissipation.

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Yes, as you can read in my post in New evo 2 software thread, ALL model-years of V4 deactivate halve of their cylinder banks to remedy heat ONLY when stationary in neutral, above set threshold engine temp.
Hopefully Ducati innovates this feature with future software updates, so this behaviour is also applied when hot in low rpm/ touring scenario's! Many modern cars aplply similar strategy to e.g. safe fuel.

RdashP said:

Indeed the wider new/R fairings with gills help shed heat off more efficiently compared to the much sleeker 18-19 fairing.
Besides more wind-protection for rider, that's why Ducati re-shaped to 'R' fairing to meet these requirements.

Although my 18S gets hot in warm climate combined with slow traffic, heat was never a real issue for me even wearing normal jeans.
Besides annoying clutch-fade due to boiling fluid. Remedied with a higher temp specced type.



Yes, as you can read in my post in New evo 2 software thread, ALL model-years of V4 deactivate halve of their cylinder banks to remedy heat ONLY when stationary in neutral, above set threshold engine temp.
Hopefully Ducati innovates this feature with future software updates, so this behaviour is also applied when hot in low rpm/ touring scenario's! Many modern cars aplply similar strategy to e.g. safe fuel.

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Yeah. I'm curious how the R fairings will act on my '19 when I get them. I've had them on order from Ilmberger (through Motovation) since late November, so once they're repainted to match my Corse scheme, I'll know whether I can feel the additional reduction in heat from them as well.

torrific said:

Yeah. I'm curious how the R fairings will act on my '19 when I get them. I've had them on order from Ilmberger (through Motovation) since late November, so once they're repainted to match my Corse scheme, I'll know whether I can feel the additional reduction in heat from them as well.

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Are you aware DMH is in process of creating 'Performance' and 'Aerodynamic' Packages to upgrade 2018-19 V4's to 2020 model-year level? see New evo 2 software thread and may be @mayhan1980 can give us some more intel on this?

RdashP said:

Are you aware DMH is in process of creating 'Performance' and 'Aerodynamic' Packages to upgrade 2018-19 V4's to 2020 model-year level? see New evo 2 software thread and may be @mayhan1980 can give us some more intel on this?

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Yes. Ilmberger has created 2020 V4R fairings in carbon, for the '19 body. No modifications necessarily to fit the new 2020 fairings on. Hence why I went with their fairings rather than wait on DMH. And I already have EVO2 software installed on my Duc, so I'm not gaining anything huge on the street, but the QS does feel better than before.

I've had mine for several days and compared to my 2018 V4S the new 2020 is better in many small but noticeable ways.

The shifter (QS) works better, and the changes to the torque down low can be felt as well. Forks are still too soft for me at 215 lbs. and I have added some more pre-load.

Quite happy I got the 2020, and hope to have the break-in period complete in another week or so.

JHTmcrider said:

...compared to my 2018 V4S the new 2020 is better in many small but noticeable ways...

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I'm very glad for you that you are happy with your new bike, turning a grim negative into a new positive. good4U!

I reckon you consider the 2020 model 'better for your liking' ? "Better" is afterall a relative qualification.
As long as we compare the slightly revised character and features, every pro has its con.

I personally love the punchy 'twin' character of my 18S engine setup and slim looks compared to the 2020 model, for most changes, both technically & ecstatically .

Good or Better? Just modified, to either gain a tad more performance when pushing to become the next champion or to personally 'love or hate' if you are not and performance specs are largely 'bragging rights'.
BTW the 2020 model, still 'looses' to other factory-standard competitor superbikes, in most lap2lap comparisons.
Relevant for me? Njet!

JHTmcrider said:

The shifter (QS) works better...

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According to my Duc dealerships: "DQS applies self-learning algorithms adapting itself to usage. Regardless of model-year, this is main reason a difference in smoothness and swiftness of shifting is experienced when comparing V4's. Not so much the specifically for high rpm/-load revised DQS Evo2 timings."

My 18S DQS is butter-smooth and quick compared to another 2019 demo I rode.

JHTmcrider said:

Forks are still too soft for me at 215 lbs. and I have added some more pre-load.

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Indeed setup for light Italian (wo)men?
I had the same done by HK. As additional ergonomic benefit my seating position has become a few degrees more upright making riding much less wristy.

nJoy your Bella & plz stay safe.