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I know we can't ride these machines to their max capabilities, but lap times can tell a meaningful story in regards to handling, braking, acceleration, etc. Definitely disappointing that the bike placed 4th, with a significant time gap from top two bikes. True that its only ONE test report, but I sure hope that the 1199 has a better showing in future comparos (as well as race conditions - such as the strong recent showing it had in FIM Superstock 1000).

Here on this forum, I know we have a common mindset that this brand offers special character that the I4s lack, but I sure am interested in how the Ducati stacks up on the track (where I will at least use mine a good deal of time). Top end speed isn't critical to me, but as TURNONE stated, for 20k+ I expect the bike to outshine the majority of competitors in terms of making its way around the race circuit.
 
in the german documents: 296 km/h = 184 mph
I tested my new panigales S on a straight of a german autobahn. I ended the test a 274 km/h and I was sure there was more to come, because I was not a the end of rpm.
 
FrostyFire said:
The fastest car in its class isn't necessarily the most expensive car. There are several features included in the overall package of the bike that you have seemed to have forgotten about.
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If the ad campaign is all about 'checkmate', it surely sets the expectation that it will be better than the others.

Maybe it's just my mindset, I drove 06 Lancer Evo IX MR until just a few months ago. It was faster than cars that cost more. But I liked the way it looked, handled, reliability, speed, etc. It didn't claim to be the best, but ended up being a great daily driver.

Chris
 
turnone said:
If the ad campaign is all about 'checkmate', it surely sets the expectation that it will be better than the others.

Maybe it's just my mindset, I drove 06 Lancer Evo IX MR until just a few months ago. It was faster than cars that cost more. But I liked the way it looked, handled, reliability, speed, etc. It didn't claim to be the best, but ended up being a great daily driver.

Chris
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Marketing and Engineering rarely work together ;) .
 
CHarles foxtrot said:
I agree that FIM Superstock 1000 is more relevant. WSBK and MotoGP are completely irrelevant to figuring out how our production bike will perform.
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I agree with your comment re: FIM Superstock, but disagree re: your comments about motogp & wsbk.

Whilst SS provides a very good KPI for bikes off the showroom floor now, MotoGP and WSBK are KPIs for the platform. The classes being more open allows the teams much more freedom to explore the platform. After each year of tweaks, the tech that works usually filter down to the showroom floor the following year. So for those that are keen on seeing a manufacture's road map, MotoGP and WSBK is what you need to be keeping an eye on.
 
littlejohn said:
I agree with your comment re: FIM Superstock, but disagree re: your comments about motogp & wsbk.

Whilst SS provides a very good KPI for bikes off the showroom floor now, MotoGP and WSBK are KPIs for the platform. The classes being more open allows the teams much more freedom to explore the platform. After each year of tweaks, the tech that works usually filter down to the showroom floor the following year. So for those that are keen on seeing a manufacture's road map, MotoGP and WSBK is what you need to be keeping an eye on.
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Apples and oranges. You are talking about trickle down tech and I am talking about performance indicators for a current street bike.
 
Phil said:
3.9 km/h less than the bmmr is not too bad for a v twin...
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1.3 and 1.4 sec a lap slower this is the new superbike killer i don't see how ???

1 - BMW S 1000 RR ,1' 53" 116 ,1' 55" 126 ,298.4 km/h
2 - Aprilia RSV4 Factory APRC ,1' 53" 829 ,1' 56" 136 ,294.0 km/h
3 - Kawasaki ZX-10R ,1' 54" 090 ,1' 56" 123 .292.9 km/h
4 - Ducati 1199 Panigale ,1' 54" 498 ,1' 56" 580 ,294.5 km/h
5 - Suzuki GSX-R 1000 ,1' 55" 651 ,1' 58" 079 ,284.2 km/h
6 - MV Agusta F4RR ,1' 55" 756 ,1' 57" 256 ,287.9 km/h
7 - Yamaha YZF-R1 ,1' 56" 493 ,1' 57" 281 .280.7 km/h
 
shanes said:
1.3 and 1.4 sec a lap slower this is the new superbike killer i don't see how ???

1 - BMW S 1000 RR ,1' 53" 116 ,1' 55" 126 ,298.4 km/h
2 - Aprilia RSV4 Factory APRC ,1' 53" 829 ,1' 56" 136 ,294.0 km/h
3 - Kawasaki ZX-10R ,1' 54" 090 ,1' 56" 123 .292.9 km/h
4 - Ducati 1199 Panigale ,1' 54" 498 ,1' 56" 580 ,294.5 km/h
5 - Suzuki GSX-R 1000 ,1' 55" 651 ,1' 58" 079 ,284.2 km/h
6 - MV Agusta F4RR ,1' 55" 756 ,1' 57" 256 ,287.9 km/h
7 - Yamaha YZF-R1 ,1' 56" 493 ,1' 57" 281 .280.7 km/h
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At a track where Ducatis historically do poorly.

Different track, diff day = diff result.
 
Scott Parker said:
Gives me reason to keep my BM then. In a couple of months i will give you an unbiased view ;)

From my test ride i can tell you that you need at least 6000rpm on the panigale to feel the power, my BM is already flying by that time too. All the people that told me about v-twin and ducati torque seem to be talking out of their arses when it comes to the panigale. Although saying that, I'm sure by the time i have the full system on mine and its run in, it will be more than a match for the BM albeit with just not as many revs to play with!
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The torque advantage of a twin in the Ducati realm is becoming greyer and greyer, the panigale has closed the gap in the performance characteristics of a twin versus a I4 which it's huge bore and short stroke and free reving engine. The Panigale is unlike any other Ducati Superbike and therefore you would have to experience an old 916, 996 or 998 to understand.

All this track performance comes at a cost when it comes to the traditional torque feel of a twin. The Panigale was truly designed for track performance and getting the power down, this may not tranlate to as much fun on the street as the older traditional Superbike Ducatis.
 
shanes said:
1.3 and 1.4 sec a lap slower this is the new superbike killer i don't see how ???

1 - BMW S 1000 RR ,1' 53" 116 ,1' 55" 126 ,298.4 km/h
2 - Aprilia RSV4 Factory APRC ,1' 53" 829 ,1' 56" 136 ,294.0 km/h
3 - Kawasaki ZX-10R ,1' 54" 090 ,1' 56" 123 .292.9 km/h
4 - Ducati 1199 Panigale ,1' 54" 498 ,1' 56" 580 ,294.5 km/h
5 - Suzuki GSX-R 1000 ,1' 55" 651 ,1' 58" 079 ,284.2 km/h
6 - MV Agusta F4RR ,1' 55" 756 ,1' 57" 256 ,287.9 km/h
7 - Yamaha YZF-R1 ,1' 56" 493 ,1' 57" 281 .280.7 km/h
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the thread was about top speeds.

on all twins i've ridden on track days, the sprockets had to be changed. indeed, there are quicker bikes around the course. but for me counts, what counts for me.

I just heard a quote from Andreas Meklau - "The best bike I've ever ridden..." / and this dude rode a lot of good bikes...
 
Everybody relax - Lets look back in July/August once some additional comparisons have been made to get an broader view of performance. The bike was just released and is already posting 4th in FIM Superstock, 1st race. I dont know the rider or his past performance but 4th on a brand new production bike in the first race is pretty impressive. Although I must admit the BMW's first outing was very impressive. I'm just as excited as everyone about getting what is taughted to be the best superbike made, but I dont expect enough data will be gathered until a few more months to come to a conclusion.

Regardless - I want my damn bike now!:mad:
 
shanes said:
1.3 and 1.4 sec a lap slower this is the new superbike killer i don't see how ???

1 - BMW S 1000 RR ,1' 53" 116 ,1' 55" 126 ,298.4 km/h
2 - Aprilia RSV4 Factory APRC ,1' 53" 829 ,1' 56" 136 ,294.0 km/h
3 - Kawasaki ZX-10R ,1' 54" 090 ,1' 56" 123 .292.9 km/h
4 - Ducati 1199 Panigale ,1' 54" 498 ,1' 56" 580 ,294.5 km/h
5 - Suzuki GSX-R 1000 ,1' 55" 651 ,1' 58" 079 ,284.2 km/h
6 - MV Agusta F4RR ,1' 55" 756 ,1' 57" 256 ,287.9 km/h
7 - Yamaha YZF-R1 ,1' 56" 493 ,1' 57" 281 .280.7 km/h
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Who cares? You might lose an argument at Starbucks, that's about it.
 
Trinity636 said:
I know we can't ride these machines to their max capabilities, but lap times can tell a meaningful story in regards to handling, braking, acceleration, etc. Definitely disappointing that the bike placed 4th, with a significant time gap from top two bikes. True that its only ONE test report, but I sure hope that the 1199 has a better showing in future comparos (as well as race conditions - such as the strong recent showing it had in FIM Superstock 1000).

Here on this forum, I know we have a common mindset that this brand offers special character that the I4s lack, but I sure am interested in how the Ducati stacks up on the track (where I will at least use mine a good deal of time). Top end speed isn't critical to me, but as TURNONE stated, for 20k+ I expect the bike to outshine the majority of competitors in terms of making its way around the race circuit.
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AGREED! I'm almost paying double for my Pani S compared to Jap bike and it supposed to weigh dam near 40lbs less + 20-30 more hp's... :confused:
 
Mitchlguzin said:
AGREED! I'm almost paying double for my Pani S compared to Jap bike and it supposed to weigh dam near 40lbs less + 20-30 more hp's... :confused:
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Go buy the Jap bike then, save your money. You can tell everyone how great it is at the coffee shop while you're not using it to its full potential.
 

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