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Just another article and concept image of the V4 if it hasnt been posted up already.

Ducati V4 superbike secrets revealed | MCN

That article is basically a summary of random ideas, theories and some stating of the obvious that we have all been saying on here for months based on the same spy shots and info we have all seen....... there's nothing new here or secrets, just more speculation

Thanks for the read though
 
I've never seen that article before so thank you for posting.

For what it's worth, I expect that render of the bike to be fairly accurate in that I suspect that the new bike isn't going to look completely different than the Panigale. Unlike before, I don't think that the new bike will have a completely new look.

Then I am not sure you have followed Ducati's historical habits particularly well. Approx every five years when they typically put their current superbike model out to pasture, they have NEVER replaced it with anything remotely similar visually. Variants of a model get tweaked such as the 996 to 998 and the 1098 to 1198 throughout their lifespan. Subtle changes but not new models.

I am sure the R&D department and designers in Bologna have pretty much alrerady nailed or are currently fine tuning the final look of the bike. It takes months to tool up for production of a new model, so it's likely all the injection moulds for the bodywork are or will have been finalised and as mentioned, they won't bear huge similarities to previous models, if history is anything to go by.

If you look retrospectively at previous models such as the Panigale and 1098, final design analysis, clay modelling etc, began almost 18 months BEFORE the bike hit the production line. All you are seeing in these images and speculative articles are test mules, largely for electronics, suspension, handling and engine shake downs. From a colleague who worked at the factory until 2010, typically they may have as many as 10-15 prototype machines in a variety of guises during the testing/destructive testing pre-production phase. That whole process is well under way today.

Some of it will be at the infamously secretive Nardo ring, some will be at Mugello (where the factory are acutely aware of long lens journalists) so further down the time line, expect to see much more representative bodywork on the shots of test bikes but which will be MUCH more heavily disguised. The fact that the spy shots so far have revealed so much of the body and its shape had me discount it immediately. Ducati know all too well how to play the marketing game and would never show their hand at this early stage in the year. It's like burlesque for bikes. Show them a glimpse and they'll crave for more. That's how they play it.
 
Ducati dealers are starting to get rid of panigale stuff picked up termi slip ons for 1K off new.
 
Then I am not sure you have followed Ducati's historical habits particularly well. Approx every five years when they typically put their current superbike model out to pasture, they have NEVER replaced it with anything remotely similar visually. Variants of a model get tweaked such as the 996 to 998 and the 1098 to 1198 throughout their lifespan. Subtle changes but not new models.

Trust me. I am quite familiar with how they do it. I've owned ducatis for almost 20 years. Furthermore, if you knew what I do for a living you would know that I'm pretty familiar with the development process for new models for high end European automobile and motorcycle manufacturers. I appreciate the lesson, though.

I'll say it again: I have a strong suspicion that this V4 will indeed be different to what has historically happened. Everyone expects it to be completely different looking. I do not. The bike will be completely different, yes, but I don't suspect the styling to be a completely new style the way it usually is.
 
Trust me. I am quite familiar with how they do it. I've owned ducatis for almost 20 years. Furthermore, if you knew what I do for a living you would know that I'm pretty familiar with the development process for new models for high end European automobile and motorcycle manufacturers. I appreciate the lesson, though.

I'll say it again: I have a strong suspicion that this V4 will indeed be different to what has historically happened. Everyone expects it to be completely different looking. I do not. The bike will be completely different, yes, but I don't suspect the styling to be a completely new style the way it usually is.

...good guess...

.....everyone is waiting :)
 
Trust me. I am quite familiar with how they do it. I've owned ducatis for almost 20 years. Furthermore, if you knew what I do for a living you would know that I'm pretty familiar with the development process for new models for high end European automobile and motorcycle manufacturers. I appreciate the lesson, though.

I'll say it again: I have a strong suspicion that this V4 will indeed be different to what has historically happened. Everyone expects it to be completely different looking. I do not. The bike will be completely different, yes, but I don't suspect the styling to be a completely new style the way it usually is.

You may be right, but almost all of the information currently online is purely speculative (as are all of our opinions). MCN (as with any publication) is in the business of selling weekly newspapers and not necessarily proven facts. The same is true of the InMoto Italian magazine article. Aside from the poorly focused spy shots, even the renderings are at best sketchy, most based on amalgamations of said spy shots and existing models (D16RR, Panigale). Conjecture at it's best. I'll reserve judgement until something more concrete surfaces.

Personally I think it would be a mistake for a groundbreaking bike (in the sense that this will be the first mass produced V4 superbike the company has made) to share the same styling as it's predecessor. Some minor cues, perhaps, but Ducati has always created new flagship models that can differentiate themselves sufficiently from their predecessors, else they risk the market perceiving it as simply a V4 wearing a now dated Panigale dress, something I dont believe would make the sort of impact and therefore generate the sales, they likely are aiming for. Ultimately no-one knows, unless you've a crystal ball to hand.
 
Approx every five years when they typically put their current superbike model out to pasture, they have NEVER replaced it with anything remotely similar visually.

Although not in succession, the 1098 was quite visually similar to 996/998. Ducati did this purposefully on the heels of the 999 styling controversy.
 
Trust me. I am quite familiar with how they do it. I've owned ducatis for almost 20 years. Furthermore, if you knew what I do for a living you would know that I'm pretty familiar with the development process for new models for high end European automobile and motorcycle manufacturers. I appreciate the lesson, though.

I'll say it again: I have a strong suspicion that this V4 will indeed be different to what has historically happened. Everyone expects it to be completely different looking. I do not. The bike will be completely different, yes, but I don't suspect the styling to be a completely new style the way it usually is.

I suspect the end result will be something that both sides of this argument will be able to claim they are correct. It won't be Panigale vs. R1 styling, I would guess it will be 996 vs. 1098 styling. The Panigale is a great looking bike, and virtually no one complains about the styling other than little nitpicky things like exhaust placement, etc. No reason to screw that up, but there's also a very strong reason to have a new bike NOT look exactly the same as the old one from 20 yards away.
 
Trust me. I am quite familiar with how they do it. I've owned ducatis for almost 20 years. Furthermore, if you knew what I do for a living you would know that I'm pretty familiar with the development process for new models for high end European automobile and motorcycle manufacturers. I appreciate the lesson, though.

I'll say it again: I have a strong suspicion that this V4 will indeed be different to what has historically happened. Everyone expects it to be completely different looking. I do not. The bike will be completely different, yes, but I don't suspect the styling to be a completely new style the way it usually is.



In general you are probably correct, but consider this V4 engine will not share any of the same dimensions as the L Twin, all attached parts will be new. Therefore I would deduce that this model will be substantially different. It just makes more sense to me to be more different than the same, given the engine is completely different.

Who knows, we are all just waiting to find out.
 
Then I am not sure you have followed Ducati's historical habits particularly well. Approx every five years when they typically put their current superbike model out to pasture, they have NEVER replaced it with anything remotely similar visually. Variants of a model get tweaked such as the 996 to 998 and the 1098 to 1198 throughout their lifespan. Subtle changes but not new models.

I am sure the R&D department and designers in Bologna have pretty much alrerady nailed or are currently fine tuning the final look of the bike. It takes months to tool up for production of a new model, so it's likely all the injection moulds for the bodywork are or will have been finalised and as mentioned, they won't bear huge similarities to previous models, if history is anything to go by.

If you look retrospectively at previous models such as the Panigale and 1098, final design analysis, clay modelling etc, began almost 18 months BEFORE the bike hit the production line. All you are seeing in these images and speculative articles are test mules, largely for electronics, suspension, handling and engine shake downs. From a colleague who worked at the factory until 2010, typically they may have as many as 10-15 prototype machines in a variety of guises during the testing/destructive testing pre-production phase. That whole process is well under way today.

Some of it will be at the infamously secretive Nardo ring, some will be at Mugello (where the factory are acutely aware of long lens journalists) so further down the time line, expect to see much more representative bodywork on the shots of test bikes but which will be MUCH more heavily disguised. The fact that the spy shots so far have revealed so much of the body and its shape had me discount it immediately. Ducati know all too well how to play the marketing game and would never show their hand at this early stage in the year. It's like burlesque for bikes. Show them a glimpse and they'll crave for more. That's how they play it.

Naaah
 
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You may be right, but almost all of the information currently online is purely speculative (as are all of our opinions). MCN (as with any publication) is in the business of selling weekly newspapers and not necessarily proven facts. The same is true of the InMoto Italian magazine article. Aside from the poorly focused spy shots, even the renderings are at best sketchy, most based on amalgamations of said spy shots and existing models (D16RR, Panigale). Conjecture at it's best. I'll reserve judgement until something more concrete surfaces.

Personally I think it would be a mistake for a groundbreaking bike (in the sense that this will be the first mass produced V4 superbike the company has made) to share the same styling as it's predecessor. Some minor cues, perhaps, but Ducati has always created new flagship models that can differentiate themselves sufficiently from their predecessors, else they risk the market perceiving it as simply a V4 wearing a now dated Panigale dress, something I dont believe would make the sort of impact and therefore generate the sales, they likely are aiming for. Ultimately no-one knows, unless you've a crystal ball to hand.

I agree and disagree with you on the styling. As much as I love the looks of my 1299 and the carbon fiber Ive added to the tail section and of course other performance upgrades to make it my own I kind of do wish the V4 would look somewhat different from the 1299. If they left it looking the same you would hear no complaints from me. I think the 1299 is one of the most elegant looking bikes out there. And part of me wishes it stays the same or maybe a tweek or two different. And at the same time and I hope I dont get flamed for this I kind of like the look of the motogp body. Maybe they can make the front fascia look a bit better with the headlights and stream line the sides better but I kind of like the tail also. Maybe if they took the 1299 and the motogp bike and came to a middle ground that could work. But who knows what they are thinking until we see the final bike. Im sure it will look amazing just as long as it looks nothing like that hideous looking 999 with those stacked lights. Ugh I have no clue what they were thinking with that front end.
 
I'm excited about the V4. Sad especially after turning on my 1198 today. The sound of that series bike is the best of any bike I've ever heard, in my own opinion. Heres to dreaming about a new V4 with a 1299 FE paint scheme on it! Cheers!
 
Originally Posted by topolino View Post
Nothing like a measured response.

Yeah, I mean, what would TJ know? ;)

Still, it's a fair response. Come on @TJ99, cough up some gossip for the masses :)
 
I agree and disagree with you on the styling. As much as I love the looks of my 1299 and the carbon fiber Ive added to the tail section and of course other performance upgrades to make it my own I kind of do wish the V4 would look somewhat different from the 1299. If they left it looking the same you would hear no complaints from me. I think the 1299 is one of the most elegant looking bikes out there. And part of me wishes it stays the same or maybe a tweek or two different. And at the same time and I hope I dont get flamed for this I kind of like the look of the motogp body. Maybe they can make the front fascia look a bit better with the headlights and stream line the sides better but I kind of like the tail also. Maybe if they took the 1299 and the motogp bike and came to a middle ground that could work. But who knows what they are thinking until we see the final bike. Im sure it will look amazing just as long as it looks nothing like that hideous looking 999 with those stacked lights. Ugh I have no clue what they were thinking with that front end.


Agree 999 was the ugliest bike ever.
 
The 999 in race trim was beautiful. I had a 2005 R and wish i never got rid of it.
 

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