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AmpForE said:
Please explain what you mean by mechanically superior. In what ways?
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The engine has a much more usable power band and the gearbox is much smoother. The 1299 feels so different because it doesn't really rev and the power delivery is underwhelming. The RSV4 feels more responsive, the power delivery is very linear and it shifts very smooth. The 1299 vibrates like an unbalanced washing machine while the RSV4 is calm. I came from years of unlined 4 Japanese bikes and the 1299 was not what I expected. With all of the said, the 1299 is still an amazing bike and I won't trade my 1299 for anything; it is just nice to have some diversity in the stable.
 
kozumasbullitt said:
The engine has a much more usable power band and the gearbox is much smoother. The 1299 feels so different because it doesn't really rev and the power delivery is underwhelming. The RSV4 feels more responsive, the power delivery is very linear and it shifts very smooth. The 1299 vibrates like an unbalanced washing machine while the RSV4 is calm. I came from years of unlined 4 Japanese bikes and the 1299 was not what I expected. With all of the said, the 1299 is still an amazing bike and I won't trade my 1299 for anything; it is just nice to have some diversity in the stable.
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Granted, the RSV4 is smoother, and revs higher, but the 1299 power is delivered in a different range. I don't have a 17 RSV4 but I do have a 13. I was just interested in your take as to why you thought the 1299 would be considered inferior to the RSV4.
 
AmpForE said:
Granted, the RSV4 is smoother, and revs higher, but the 1299 power is delivered in a different range. I don't have a 17 RSV4 but I do have a 13. I was just interested in your take as to why you thought the 1299 would be considered inferior to the RSV4.
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Well I should have framed my statement better. The 1299 feels more purpose built while the RSV4 is more well rounded. It is no accident that all these mags are selecting the RSV4 over the 1299 but in capable hands, the 1299 is a faster bike. I am just an average rider so my opinions are geared towards a more casual rider and not a track junkie.
 
jpanigale said:
I checked 2017 RSV4 is 458 wet, 1299 is around 424.
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And how much do the other bikes weigh? The RSV4 is not the heaviest and it is well know that the 1299 is crazy light, the Anniversary model is even lighter. The 1299 is very thin but I suspect that will change with the V4.
 
youngR said:
lol.

To me, people who dont like Panigale engines are those who dont really know how to ride it and come from Japanese inlines.

Just better to stick to what they know.
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If you are implying that I don't like Panigale engines, you are reading through colored lenses. I am sure the 1299 kills on the track but for general street riding, the power band of the RSV4 is better. I look forward to a Ducati V4 that fills the gap between a twin and I4. The 1299 is just different and will take some more time for me to get comfortable with the power band.
 
kozumasbullitt said:
If you are implying that I don't like Panigale engines, you are reading through colored lenses. I am sure the 1299 kills on the track but for general street riding, the power band of the RSV4 is better. I look forward to a Ducati V4 that fills the gap between a twin and I4. The 1299 is just different and will take some more time for me to get comfortable with the power band.
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kozumasbullitt said:
Well I should have framed my statement better. The 1299 feels more purpose built while the RSV4 is more well rounded. It is no accident that all these mags are selecting the RSV4 over the 1299 but in capable hands, the 1299 is a faster bike. I am just an average rider so my opinions are geared towards a more casual rider and not a track junkie.
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You kind of answer the question for yourself and me. At least I know where you coming from and I agree with your statement.

I dont want to get into discussion of "its a superbike, you need to ride it in the Track" even though I believe in that. Anyway, I DO ride at the Track Only with Superbikes and yes I tracked other bikes other than Ducatis.

Magazine reviews are .... BTW dont mean anything. It's no accident but who pays more for a good review like MSN picking Honda CBR recently over all others which is all .........

Nothing wrong with RSV and in fact I like them but saying Aprilla is superior when riding on street going at within speed limit and hardly leaning is absurd. hey, but its your opinion so I respect that in that aspect.

What I really like about Aprilla, is how compact they are but not how heavy, fat, and ugly they are. Not to mentioned limited dealer supports.
 
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kozumasbullitt said:
And how much do the other bikes weigh? The RSV4 is not the heaviest and it is well know that the 1299 is crazy light, the Anniversary model is even lighter. The 1299 is very thin but I suspect that will change with the V4.
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You can look it up. It's the heaviest

CBR1000rr lighter than 1299
 
jpanigale said:
You can look it up. It's the heaviest

CBR1000rr lighter than 1299
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You can also go to each of the manufacturer's website and look at their technical specifications.
 
I'm curious to the final specs of the new generation, although I believe the Panigale will be the more special of the two.
A V4 with the same development method should be heavier than the twin, since the crank case needs to be wider, longer crankshaft, and everything else is doubled. Better FEA anlyzing tools could negate a lot of the weight difference I guess... I do hope the roumors are right though, giving the street versions a 200cc bump, giving ut a more flexibe power band. A bigger hole doesn't weigh more either.
The frame will also need to be wider, although that won't necessarily dictate the overall width of the bike.

Bottom line for me is I'm curious, but unless it's VERY special I think I will stick to the 1299 :)
 
kozumasbullitt said:
You can also go to each of the manufacturer's website and look at their technical specifications.
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That's exactly what I did. Ducati's site states 420lbs wet. Honda's SP is 430lb. The numbers on that screen shot from a magazine don't jive with the manufacturer specs (or U.S. magazine tests).

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that screen shot is from "Bike" or MCN". Both pretty Honda biased.
 
Rogue said:
That's exactly what I did. Ducati's site states 420lbs wet. Honda's SP is 430lb. The numbers on that screen shot from a magazine don't jive with the manufacturer specs (or U.S. magazine tests).

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that screen shot is from "Bike" or MCN". Both pretty Honda biased.
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It is from MCN but I was using it to reference Aprilia vs BMW.
 
TurboLag said:
I'm curious to the final specs of the new generation, although I believe the Panigale will be the more special of the two.
A V4 with the same development method should be heavier than the twin, since the crank case needs to be wider, longer crankshaft, and everything else is doubled. Better FEA anlyzing tools could negate a lot of the weight difference I guess... I do hope the roumors are right though, giving the street versions a 200cc bump, giving ut a more flexibe power band. A bigger hole doesn't weigh more either.
The frame will also need to be wider, although that won't necessarily dictate the overall width of the bike.

Bottom line for me is I'm curious, but unless it's VERY special I think I will stick to the 1299 :)
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A bigger hole does not weigh more but a bigger piston and connecting rod sure does.
 
kozumasbullitt said:
A bigger hole does not weigh more but a bigger piston and connecting rod sure does.
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Sure, but much of that extra weight is negated by said bigger hole. We're talking max 50 grams weight difference from a 250cc piston/rod setup to a 300cc setup. If we take the 1199/1299 as an example, there is no (claimed) weight difference.
 
TurboLag said:
I'm curious to the final specs of the new generation, although I believe the Panigale will be the more special of the two.
A V4 with the same development method should be heavier than the twin, since the crank case needs to be wider, longer crankshaft, and everything else is doubled. Better FEA anlyzing tools could negate a lot of the weight difference I guess... I do hope the roumors are right though, giving the street versions a 200cc bump, giving ut a more flexibe power band. A bigger hole doesn't weigh more either.
The frame will also need to be wider, although that won't necessarily dictate the overall width of the bike.

Bottom line for me is I'm curious, but unless it's VERY special I think I will stick to the 1299 :)
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Surely A V4 can be shorter than an inline 4? Rather like two smaller V-twins side by side? With the added pistons they will also become smaller in diameter too. Granted it will get bigger than the twin, but by how much.

Same for the weight, I agree it will get heavier, but I don't think it will be much between the engines alone? It's that frame in the spy shots that worry me.

Still, I have a deposit down for the V4 R, only time will tell. However, as it stands, I can see me keeping my R at the moment....... maybe a cafe racer to sit along side it?
 
I suppose its just me but I just can't build any excitement about something that has already been done over and over. Another normally aspirated 1000CC or whatever 200hp motor. Some day maybe the bike industry will modernize a bit. Granted the H2R is a pig of a bike and even harder to look at but I find that a lot more interesting at least from a motor development perspective. That planetary gear blower is more interesting that anything Ducati is doing.
 

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