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Looks fairly accurate to me. When pressed the OE suspension isn't that great. Press yours, especially on bumpy surfaces, and you'll agree. This is the primary complaint anyone has lodged so far when pushing the bike to race or near race pace. At a typical street pace you'll never know.....but nobody seems interested in testing at that pace. For the first 600 miles I owned the bike I thought the suspension was great. Then I got to beat on it and found otherwise. Step one, new rear shock with more spring!

Fourth best motor at 170 on the dyno sounds fishy, though. I would think 170 at the wheel would work for second behind the BMW....but I wasn't there.
 
Cloner said:
Looks fairly accurate to me. When pressed the OE suspension isn't that great. Press yours, especially on bumpy surfaces, and you'll agree. This is the primary complaint anyone has lodged so far when pushing the bike to race or near race pace. At a typical street pace you'll never know.....but nobody seems interested in testing at that pace. For the first 600 miles I owned the bike I thought the suspension was great. Then I got to beat on it and found otherwise. Step one, new rear shock with more spring!

Fourth best motor at 170 on the dyno sounds fishy, though. I would think 170 at the wheel would work for second behind the BMW....but I wasn't there.
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Yup, the suspension comments are no surprise as every comparo has read similarly. Bike has potential to win the things, but as delivered is let down by the suspension. A refinement issue and one that Ducati fell short on, but it doesn't really affect the core advantage of the bike. Class-leading power-to-weight, lightest overall by a chunk with great mass centralization. So as with any bike, get your ergos and suspension dialed for you personally and you're off and running.

As for the 4th place in power, remember that test allowed aftermarket equipment and all the Japanese bikes had PCV or Bazzaz modules, quickshifter and full exhaust systems added. Only the BMW and Ducati were basically stock as that's how the companies chose to deliver them; the Pani had the full Termi and map, but nothing else. As it was it was only down 6HP on the S1KR and only a couple on the MV and Ninja, which it's a lot lighter than.
 
If it wasn't so cold I'd be riding, not giving a .... about what other people think. You're obviously not out getting it if you're reading reviews; ergo for the millionth time:

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Like he said, they are poorly setup from the factory. Needs major tweaking; had to dial out front pre-load a TON, feels great now...
 
TransNone13 said:
Like he said, they are poorly setup from the factory. Needs major tweaking; had to dial out front pre-load a TON, feels great now...
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I have never had a bike yet, that didnt need tweaking to feel great for me personally
 
ScottJon said:
I have never had a bike yet, that didnt need tweaking to feel great for me personally
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I agree, I always get mine set up for me! My dealership has an in-house Ohlins techs and they spent about an hour setting it up for me, best £99 I have spent on the bike, you should try it if you have never had it done before!!
 
TransNone13 said:
Like he said, they are poorly setup from the factory. Needs major tweaking; had to dial out front pre-load a TON, feels great now...
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No Ducatis suspension is fully dialled-in from the factory. It's up to you to have your dealer set the suspension to your weight/riding style/taste.
 
Cold? Its in the 90's down here. Still sweating our arses off.... :-(

TransNone18034533 said:
If it wasn't so cold I'd be riding, not giving a .... about what other people think. You're obviously not out getting it if you're reading reviews; ergo for the millionth time:
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ScottJon said:
I have never had a bike yet, that didnt need tweaking to feel great for me personally
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RedScare said:
No Ducatis suspension is fully dialled-in from the factory. It's up to you to have your dealer set the suspension to your weight/riding style/taste.
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I agree to a point however the Panigale was particularly bad out of the crate and needed a lot of adjustment to soften it for the road. I think this is a large part of why the bike (unjustly) receives negative press.
 
The Ohlins NIX30 forks and TTX shock are about the best money can buy, BUT only the aftermarket units, NOT the stock Ohlins that comes on the 1199s. The Ohlins suspension that is preinstalled on Ducati S models have different valving and springs (made to Ducati's spec) than what you buy from a good aftermarket dealer like Dan Kyle.. in addition to that Ducati sets up said Ohlins units at the factory in Italy horribly wrong.. Ducati has always done this, it's practically a tradition. Best to buy a 1199 base and install a good cartridge kit in the forks and a better shock. (exactly what I am doing)
 
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Happiness is riding, not reading. :D
 
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1198freak said:
The Ohlins NIX30 forks and TTX shock are about the best money can buy, BUT only the aftermarket units, NOT the stock Ohlins that comes on the 1199s. The Ohlins suspension that is preinstalled on Ducati S models have different valving and springs (made to Ducati's spec) than what you buy from a good aftermarket dealer like Dan Kyle.. in addition to that Ducati sets up said Ohlins units at the factory in Italy horribly wrong.. Ducati has always done this, it's practically a tradition. Best to buy a 1199 base and install a good cartridge kit in the forks and a better shock. (exactly what I am doing)
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Im adding the Ohlins TTX36 Mark 2 DU930 rear and OHLINS NIX FGRT 203 Front Forks to my base.
 
I was reading a review down here today and the tester made a comment,

"Ducati's set there bikes up as race bikes, and for the road you need to set them up softer , you would think since most are used as road bikes they would do it the other way around, but that is not the Ducati way, they are race bikes. The Japanese have them set up soft and compliant for the road, if you want to race them you change all the components. When you understand that, Ducati's make sense. Personally I love them."

He also said....

" this motor is an animal, with plenty of power, anyone who thinks they need more is simply playing with themselves, Dyno curves mean nothing after you ride this"

Very refreshing from a road tester.

By the way, I have the S, and I now have 3 good maps set up at the touch of a button, for road riding for different conditions, testers don't seem to take that into account.

Anyway who cares, it was 35deg. C here today, just got back from a beautiful ride with my mates on their 1098R's .... Perfect.
 
DucSyd said:
I was reading a review down here today and the tester made a comment,

"Ducati's set there bikes up as race bikes, and for the road you need to set them up softer , you would think since most are used as road bikes they would do it the other way around, but that is not the Ducati way, they are race bikes. The Japanese have them set up soft and compliant for the road, if you want to race them you change all the components. When you understand that, Ducati's make sense. Personally I love them."

He also said....

" this motor is an animal, with plenty of power, anyone who thinks they need more is simply playing with themselves, Dyno curves mean nothing after you ride this"


Very refreshing from a road tester.

By the way, I have the S, and I now have 3 good maps set up at the touch of a button, for road riding for different conditions, testers don't seem to take that into account.

Anyway who cares, it was 35deg. C here today, just got back from a beautiful ride with my mates on their 1098R's .... Perfect.
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1198freak said:
The Ohlins NIX30 forks and TTX shock are about the best money can buy, BUT only the aftermarket units, NOT the stock Ohlins that comes on the 1199s. The Ohlins suspension that is preinstalled on Ducati S models have different valving and springs (made to Ducati's spec) than what you buy from a good aftermarket dealer like Dan Kyle.. in addition to that Ducati sets up said Ohlins units at the factory in Italy horribly wrong.. Ducati has always done this, it's practically a tradition. Best to buy a 1199 base and install a good cartridge kit in the forks and a better shock. (exactly what I am doing)
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do you think S is more value for money?
 
ScottJon said:
I have never had a bike yet, that didn't need tweaking to feel great for me personally
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I totally agree, once I set up my suspension the feel of the bike totally changed, I love the way this thing carves the corners, granted it took several trips to the Smokey mountains to do it.;)
 

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