1199 R Superleggera

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So how are they able to address heat issues with the carbon version of the old heat shield? And how can I get one if it works?:D
 
EvoL said:
The more I stare at it, the more I like it.

It seems very detail oriented which is awesome. The subtle CF showing through, the subtle magnesium parts poking out here and there, the new rearsets, the red on the rear wheel, etc.

I can imagine it cruising down the road and it makes me smile :D
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I agree Ducati always make beautiful bikes really detailed oriented. Since I was a kid I've always been star struck of Ducati superbikes.
 
The one piece side body panels look incredible. The smooth lines they give vs. the two piece with bolts on the other 1199s really improve the looks. I love the colour/graphic design too.

Interesting to note the absence of the DP carbon clutch cover and swing arm cover. Spec doesn't list the carbon conveyer covers either.

Funny the bike includes the ...... DP paddock stands. The dealer should keep those and discount the bike!
 
jarelj said:
Yes, DWC = Ducati Wheelie Control
This bike has a completely different electronics package, I don't believe all of the full details are available yet, probably saving some of the stuff to trickle out at the EICMA show. Notice that it has switchable DWC and DTC settings via a left-hand switch on the handlebar? Notice how they achieved wheelie control and that it's programmable? 13.2:1 compression ratio vs. 12.5:1 on the normal Superquaddro. WSBK pistons and crank. You couldn't exactly build an R up to this spec easily.
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It certainly does sound like an incredible bike rich with intriguing features, but I expected higher HP numbers and a lower weight than what is being advertised. Not to say it isn't an incredible testament to Ducati engineering and innovation, but I was expecting a bit more for that price point.
 
Duck41 said:
It certainly does sound like an incredible bike rich with intriguing features, but I expected higher HP numbers and a lower weight than what is being advertised. Not to say it isn't an incredible testament to Ducati engineering and innovation, but I was expecting a bit more for that price point.
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Higher than 200hp and less than 390lbs fueled up and ready to go? I think it's time to lower your expectations JUST a little bit. I remember when the liter bike wars started, you couldn't buy a race spec superbike with those numbers much less a street legal bike.
 
bwaide said:
Higher than 200hp and less than 390lbs fueled up and ready to go? I think it's time to lower your expectations JUST a little bit. I remember when the liter bike wars started, you couldn't buy a race spec superbike with those numbers much less a street legal bike.
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That logic could be applied to ZX10/ZX14/S1000/1199/Rsv4r....

All bikes that are from another planet compared to bikes of the 90's... This bike at $65000ish is/was supposed to be a paradigm shift from what we currently have...Wasn't it???;)
 
Duck41 said:
It certainly does sound like an incredible bike rich with intriguing features, but I expected higher HP numbers and a lower weight than what is being advertised. Not to say it isn't an incredible testament to Ducati engineering and innovation, but I was expecting a bit more for that price point.
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It's already nearly a full WSBK-spec engine. They can't spec it to run on race gas, it has to survive on street gas. The whole bike is littered carbon/magnesium/titanium, what else could have been done to drop significant weight? They even put in a Lithium battery already. I have been through bike weight reduction for race bikes many times, and I can't think of much else they could have done to drop more weight and still keep it fully homologated and street legal. 342 dry weight is insane, my Ninja 300 weighs 330!
 
jarelj said:
It's already nearly a full WSBK-spec engine. They can't spec it to run on race gas, it has to survive on street gas. The whole bike is littered carbon/magnesium/titanium, what else could have been done to drop significant weight? They even put in a Lithium battery already. I have been through bike weight reduction for race bikes many times, and I can't think of much else they could have done to drop more weight and still keep it fully homologated and street legal. 342 dry weight is insane, my Ninja 300 weighs 330!
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342lbs. dry really is amazing.
 
Stw said:
That logic could be applied to ZX10/ZX14/S1000/1199/Rsv4r....

All bikes that are from another planet compared to bikes of the 90's... This bike at $65000ish is/was supposed to be a paradigm shift from what we currently have...Wasn't it???;)
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Exactly! I think the numbers are about as good as they'll ever get, now the goal is to find the balance. The sum of all the parts and not just weight to horsepower numbers. Look at the CBR1000RR, down on the numbers but it is still somewhat competitive sitting at 7th in WSBK. It's not about who wields the biggest hammer but who can put it together right. Riders are the ones that find the balance. The CBR is at 5 years with minor changes sitting right in the middle with Kawis, Aprilias, BMWs in front and behind but still ahead of all the Ducatis. So maybe the goal wasn't to get the lightest most powerful bike but to get the parts to work as a whole?
 
Are they going to change the homologation rles for sbk/sbk evo and stk1000?
At the moment 1199 project 1201 will not pass(if they make only 500)

"The deadline by which the total production quantity (1000 units for first time application or 2000 units for subsequent homologations) must be reached is the 31st of December of the year in which the homologation has been obtained"
 
jarelj said:
It's already nearly a full WSBK-spec engine. They can't spec it to run on race gas, it has to survive on street gas. The whole bike is littered carbon/magnesium/titanium, what else could have been done to drop significant weight? They even put in a Lithium battery already. I have been through bike weight reduction for race bikes many times, and I can't think of much else they could have done to drop more weight and still keep it fully homologated and street legal. 342 dry weight is insane, my Ninja 300 weighs 330!
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My expectations may have been unjustifiably elevated by the rumored numbers that allegedly came out of the NOLA meeting. Do you know if these rumored figures (40 lb. less, 15-20 HP more) were reported at this particular dealer meeting?
 
bwaide said:
Higher than 200hp and less than 390lbs fueled up and ready to go? I think it's time to lower your expectations JUST a little bit. I remember when the liter bike wars started, you couldn't buy a race spec superbike with those numbers much less a street legal bike.
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bwaide said:
Exactly! I think the numbers are about as good as they'll ever get, now the goal is to find the balance. The sum of all the parts and not just weight to horsepower numbers. Look at the CBR1000RR, down on the numbers but it is still somewhat competitive sitting at 7th in WSBK. It's not about who wields the biggest hammer but who can put it together right. Riders are the ones that find the balance. The CBR is at 5 years with minor changes sitting right in the middle with Kawis, Aprilias, BMWs in front and behind but still ahead of all the Ducatis. So maybe the goal wasn't to get the lightest most powerful bike but to get the parts to work as a whole?
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This is fine....But I think you are inconsistent with the basis of your argument... Either weight saving/HP gain is or isn't the genesis of this project...
 
Duck41 said:
My expectations may have been unjustifiably elevated by the rumored numbers that allegedly came out of the NOLA meeting. Do you know if these rumored figures (40 lb. less, 15-20 HP more) were reported at this particular dealer meeting?
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i'd like to know this as well. dealer tried to get me into the honeytrap ...
 
Duck41 said:
My expectations may have been unjustifiably elevated by the rumored numbers that allegedly came out of the NOLA meeting. Do you know if these rumored figures (40 lb. less, 15-20 HP more) were reported at this particular dealer meeting?
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Don't think so. If I did hear such numbers I would never have believed it, knowing how much we have to do to race bikes to get the HP up and weight down. I couldn't even fathom how they could get an engine to make 220HP on pump gas and offer a 2-year warranty on it. Especially out of a twin, supposed to have the torque advantage but not a HP advantage according to conventional wisdom. I still remember all of the "Death of the twin" talk from a couple years ago before the Panigale came out. Even the magazines were saying Ducati had no choice but to switch to a V4 because they couldn't possibly make the kind of HP to be competitive with a twin any longer. Now you have the production bike with the highest HP numbers of any bike in the history of production sportbikes, and it's still a twin. Granted, it's a very expensive twin, but conventional wisdom has been proven very wrong in the face of Ducati's engineering prowess. Middle finger firmly stuck in the air to the establishment, this is how I view Ducati's engineering department, still something very cool about this little company when it comes to that kind of thing.
 

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