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It certainly does sound like an incredible bike rich with intriguing features, but I expected higher HP numbers and a lower weight than what is being advertised. Not to say it isn't an incredible testament to Ducati engineering and innovation, but I was expecting a bit more for that price point.

It's already nearly a full WSBK-spec engine. They can't spec it to run on race gas, it has to survive on street gas. The whole bike is littered carbon/magnesium/titanium, what else could have been done to drop significant weight? They even put in a Lithium battery already. I have been through bike weight reduction for race bikes many times, and I can't think of much else they could have done to drop more weight and still keep it fully homologated and street legal. 342 dry weight is insane, my Ninja 300 weighs 330!
 
It's already nearly a full WSBK-spec engine. They can't spec it to run on race gas, it has to survive on street gas. The whole bike is littered carbon/magnesium/titanium, what else could have been done to drop significant weight? They even put in a Lithium battery already. I have been through bike weight reduction for race bikes many times, and I can't think of much else they could have done to drop more weight and still keep it fully homologated and street legal. 342 dry weight is insane, my Ninja 300 weighs 330!

342lbs. dry really is amazing.
 
That logic could be applied to ZX10/ZX14/S1000/1199/Rsv4r....

All bikes that are from another planet compared to bikes of the 90's... This bike at $65000ish is/was supposed to be a paradigm shift from what we currently have...Wasn't it???;)

Exactly! I think the numbers are about as good as they'll ever get, now the goal is to find the balance. The sum of all the parts and not just weight to horsepower numbers. Look at the CBR1000RR, down on the numbers but it is still somewhat competitive sitting at 7th in WSBK. It's not about who wields the biggest hammer but who can put it together right. Riders are the ones that find the balance. The CBR is at 5 years with minor changes sitting right in the middle with Kawis, Aprilias, BMWs in front and behind but still ahead of all the Ducatis. So maybe the goal wasn't to get the lightest most powerful bike but to get the parts to work as a whole?
 
Are they going to change the homologation rles for sbk/sbk evo and stk1000?
At the moment 1199 project 1201 will not pass(if they make only 500)

"The deadline by which the total production quantity (1000 units for first time application or 2000 units for subsequent homologations) must be reached is the 31st of December of the year in which the homologation has been obtained"
 
It's already nearly a full WSBK-spec engine. They can't spec it to run on race gas, it has to survive on street gas. The whole bike is littered carbon/magnesium/titanium, what else could have been done to drop significant weight? They even put in a Lithium battery already. I have been through bike weight reduction for race bikes many times, and I can't think of much else they could have done to drop more weight and still keep it fully homologated and street legal. 342 dry weight is insane, my Ninja 300 weighs 330!

My expectations may have been unjustifiably elevated by the rumored numbers that allegedly came out of the NOLA meeting. Do you know if these rumored figures (40 lb. less, 15-20 HP more) were reported at this particular dealer meeting?
 
Higher than 200hp and less than 390lbs fueled up and ready to go? I think it's time to lower your expectations JUST a little bit. I remember when the liter bike wars started, you couldn't buy a race spec superbike with those numbers much less a street legal bike.

Exactly! I think the numbers are about as good as they'll ever get, now the goal is to find the balance. The sum of all the parts and not just weight to horsepower numbers. Look at the CBR1000RR, down on the numbers but it is still somewhat competitive sitting at 7th in WSBK. It's not about who wields the biggest hammer but who can put it together right. Riders are the ones that find the balance. The CBR is at 5 years with minor changes sitting right in the middle with Kawis, Aprilias, BMWs in front and behind but still ahead of all the Ducatis. So maybe the goal wasn't to get the lightest most powerful bike but to get the parts to work as a whole?




This is fine....But I think you are inconsistent with the basis of your argument... Either weight saving/HP gain is or isn't the genesis of this project...
 
My expectations may have been unjustifiably elevated by the rumored numbers that allegedly came out of the NOLA meeting. Do you know if these rumored figures (40 lb. less, 15-20 HP more) were reported at this particular dealer meeting?

i'd like to know this as well. dealer tried to get me into the honeytrap ...
 
My expectations may have been unjustifiably elevated by the rumored numbers that allegedly came out of the NOLA meeting. Do you know if these rumored figures (40 lb. less, 15-20 HP more) were reported at this particular dealer meeting?

Don't think so. If I did hear such numbers I would never have believed it, knowing how much we have to do to race bikes to get the HP up and weight down. I couldn't even fathom how they could get an engine to make 220HP on pump gas and offer a 2-year warranty on it. Especially out of a twin, supposed to have the torque advantage but not a HP advantage according to conventional wisdom. I still remember all of the "Death of the twin" talk from a couple years ago before the Panigale came out. Even the magazines were saying Ducati had no choice but to switch to a V4 because they couldn't possibly make the kind of HP to be competitive with a twin any longer. Now you have the production bike with the highest HP numbers of any bike in the history of production sportbikes, and it's still a twin. Granted, it's a very expensive twin, but conventional wisdom has been proven very wrong in the face of Ducati's engineering prowess. Middle finger firmly stuck in the air to the establishment, this is how I view Ducati's engineering department, still something very cool about this little company when it comes to that kind of thing.
 
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This is fine....But I think you are inconsistent with the basis of your argument... Either weight saving/HP gain is or isn't the genesis of this project...

An earlier post was disappointed with those figures but Ducati is quite satisfied with them and will charge first born/spare kidney to whoever they deem fit to purchase. I think it is unrealistic (probably unrideable too) to expect a 200+ hp bike weighing in less than what they're building.
 
Ohh wow. Ducati just updated the project site with a new picture of the race kit. I guess that answers the question on who made the exhaust.

EDIT: that race shield look darker than the DP one?
 

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I wonder if it's the same exhaust as the one currently on the market by Akra... And if Ducati will release an official upmap for the Akra owners... But probably not due to warranty issues and existing contract with Termi...
 
I wonder if it's the same exhaust as the one currently on the market by Akra... And if Ducati will release an official upmap for the Akra owners... But probably not due to warranty issues and existing contract with Termi...

No its not the same.. the silencer is full Titanium as well where as the Akro one is downpipes in Ti I think
 
Looks like it has a full Titanium stock homologated exhaust made by Akrapovic, and comes with a set of de-catted Akrapovic canisters in the race kit as well that mate up to the stock Ti headers. ECU programming is irrelevant to the rest of the Panigale range since this bike will have a completely different electronics package from the other models.
 
Yep!

Don't take this the wrong way, but everyone here is ...... up! I love the SL, but it is sick to have it as a "primary bike". I would have an SL the same way Hugh Heffner has a stable of girls, nice for the odd ride, but to expensive to maintain regularly.

My R is the most fun I've had in a long time....plenty of power and speed, and I ride tracks that are serious "hp tracks". I also have been coming off an RC8R which handles buttery smooth, but seriously underpowered :( it actually feels like a honda shadow after getting off the Panigale.

What everyone here needs to, instead of upgrading,....down grade. I am 200lbs and on weekends when I have the boys, my buds and I race our kids 65s and klx110s. You'll find it tons of fun and you'll learn a .... load more about riding your Pani fast then constantly upgrading and never mastering the power and throttle.

I am going to losail next month for the first time with my R. Dave Moss will be the the whole weekend to help everyone sort their bikes. My goal is a 2:12 there by the end of the weekend. Sounds like an easy task being the moto 3 riders were averaging 2:07s on 80 Hp bikes, but it isn't. My point is the power is awesome and the best and the fastest is a lofty goal for all to aspire for, but skill will prevail in the end.

Think CS on a moto GP bike, (230 plus HP) manages a 1:55. Something. HP and speed are not linear. To go from a 2:07 in moto 3 to a 1:55 in Moto GP requires a 300% jump in Hp.

Getting back to the point of the SL or an R, or S, or base. If the SL is indeed the Pacaso, that doesn't make the R a Polariod. The design philosophy, and culture is present in all of them.

Be happy that of the millions that ride bikes in the world, a mere few thousand ride Paniagles. It is a victory in itself that we are those chosen few.

Just remember, Moderation is for cowards! Go big or go home! ( when on the track...lol)

I often say, "It's way more fun to go fast on a slow bike than to go slow on a fast bike!"

I love picking off 450cc bikes on the MX track on my 250F; and grabbing holeshots is even sweeter!
 

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