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chrissa said:
What standard is that?
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You were saying that suspension will get thrown away from this bike when its tracked... so I guess I am struggling to understand why they would fit this suspension.... why not fit the Ttx etc??? I know I can buy the FGRT and TTX for maybe $4000... After all the R is a track bike..Right??
 
My understanding of what Ducati will race in WSBK with the EVO rule changes will be essentially a Panigale R with the following parts taken from the SL design

1. Aluminium alloy pistons
2. Tungsten balanced crankshaft
3. Ohlins TTX Titanium rear shock
4. Ohlins FL916 front shock

As far as the homologation/2000 production model minimum requirement goes, they may make the 2015 R with just the motor parts swapped out and keep the same suspension that the current R has. Not sure how much of an increase in cost the motor parts will take but I am suspecting in the 35k to 40k range to try to maintain that cost barrier.
 
I think it's all about cost. I bet Ducati gets the DES Ohlins for dirt cheap, and it does pretty good for the typical owner. The stuff they use in WSBK is on a totally different level.
 
the Ti spring on the TTX is bling as there are almost no different strengths in TI .. Alstare runs/ran 140Kg (!!) springs so expect those springs to stick around for a while..

a wsbk FGR front including brakes/masters = 22K
 
Alstare and Ducati are parting ways so idk if the spring you're talking about is from them or from Ohlins..
 
Since the official Panigale Superleggera specs were released, many of us have contentiously discussed its value and whether Ducati’s heavy marketing, hyping, and high pricing of the Panigale SL are justified. Because of this, I’ve been interested in quantifying what value the Panigale SL offers over the next best Ducati offering (Panigale R) and comparing that to the value the Desmosedici RR offered over the next best Ducati bike of its time. Obviously the overall value someone attributes to a particular item is subjective, so for the purposes of this examination I attempted to quantify value based off pricing differentials and a very select set of performance characteristics: horsepower, torque, and kerb weight. Other factors that contribute to value by offering uniqueness or additional performance enhancing qualities (e.g., DTC, launch control, inclusion of exotic materials, number of units produced, etc.) were not factored but should certainly be separately considered.

The model I contrived to derive performance values is very simplistic. Each horsepower unit, lb-ft. of torque, and lb. of weight is equivalent to one point with advantageous differentials always being calculated in the positive and disadvantageous differentials always being calculated in the negative. Differentials between the bikes in each category are combined into an overall point total where they are then divided by the price differential and converted into a percentage. As differentials increase, total points correspondingly increase and must be weighed against the price differential to determine a value percentage. As value increases (performance advantage divided by cost to make the jump from the next best), so too does the performance value percentage.

The Desmosedici RR was announced in 2006 during the last year of reign for the highly successful 999R; however, production did not begin until 2007 and the first unit was not actually delivered until January 2008 - the same year the much touted 1098R was released. Due to this spread, performance value calculations for the Desmosedici were made using both the 999R and the 1098R for comparisons.

My findings were as follows:

Desmosedici Value Comparison:
  • Ducati 999R: 85.5 points with a price differential of $41,005 = .2085%
  • Ducati 1098R: 16.5 points with a price differential of $32,505 = 0.0507%

Panigale Superleggera Value Comparison:
  • Ducati 1199R: 32.5 points with a price differential of 35,005 = 0.0928%

Conclusion:
The Desmosedici RR was an extraordinary step above everything else at the time of its unveiling and offered a tremendous performance value compared to the 2006 999R, but by the time it was actually delivered and in the hands of the public, the performance value it offered over the next best performing bike (1098R) was considerably less. Based on these figures, the Panigale SL not only matches the performance value offered by the Desmosedici RR when it was finally delivered, but it nearly doubles it! Thus, it could be argued that if an argument could have been made for purchasing the Desmosedici based solely on its performance characteristics and price compared to the rest of the Ducati lineup at that time, then an equally strong, if not stronger, argument could be made to justify purchasing the Panigale SL for the same reasons.
 
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Duck41 said:
Since the official Panigale Superleggera specs were released, many of us have contentiously discussed its value and whether Ducati's heavy marketing, hyping, and high pricing of the Panigale SL are justified. Because of this, I've been interested in quantifying what value the Panigale SL offers over the next best Ducati offering (Panigale R) and comparing that to the value the Desmosedici RR offered over the next best Ducati bike of its time. Obviously the overall value someone attributes to a particular item is subjective, so for the purposes of this examination I attempted to quantify value based off pricing differentials and a very select set of performance characteristics: horsepower, torque, and kerb weight. Other factors that contribute to value by offering uniqueness or additional performance enhancing qualities (e.g., DTC, launch control, inclusion of exotic materials, number of units produced, etc.) were not factored but should certainly be separately considered.

The model I contrived to derive performance values is very simplistic. Each horsepower unit, lb-ft. of torque, and lb. of weight is equivalent to one point with advantageous differentials always being calculated in the positive and disadvantageous differentials always being calculated in the negative. Differentials between the bikes in each category are combined into an overall point total where they are then divided by the price differential and converted into a percentage. As differentials increase, total points correspondingly increase and must be weighed against the price differential to determine a value percentage. As value increases (performance advantage divided by cost to make the jump from the next best), so too does the performance value percentage.

The Desmosedici RR was announced in 2006 during the last year of reign for the highly successful 999R; however, production did not begin until 2007 and the first unit was not actually delivered until January 2008 - the same year the much touted 1098R was released. Due to this spread, performance value calculations for the Desmosedici were made using both the 999R and the 1098R for comparisons.

My findings were as follows:

Desmosedici Value Comparison:
  • Ducati 999R: 85.5 points with a price differential of $41,005 = .2085%
  • Ducati 1098R: 16.5 points with a price differential of $32,505 = 0.0507%

Panigale Superleggera Value Comparison:
  • Ducati 1199R: 32.5 points with a price differential of 35,005 = 0.0928%

Conclusion:
The Desmosedici RR was an extraordinary step above everything else at the time of its unveiling and offered a tremendous performance value compared to the 2006 999R, but by the time it was actually delivered and in the hands of the public, the performance value it offered over the next best performing bike (1098R) was considerably less. Based on these figures, the Panigale SL not only matches the performance value offered by the Desmosedici RR when it was finally delivered, but it nearly doubles it! Thus, it could be argued that if an argument could have been made for purchasing the Desmosedici based solely on its performance characteristics and price compared to the rest of the Ducati lineup at that time, then an equally strong, if not stronger, argument could be made to justify purchasing the Panigale SL for the same reasons.
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Interesting theory. Don't let Billy Beane know where you live... LOL. A bad joke referring to the movie Moneyball where they quantify baseball talent. :D
 
the other point is the desmosedici required specially trained mechanics to service and parts cost were pretty significant


Duck41 said:
Since the official Panigale Superleggera specs were released, many of us have contentiously discussed its value and whether Ducati's heavy marketing, hyping, and high pricing of the Panigale SL are justified. Because of this, I've been interested in quantifying what value the Panigale SL offers over the next best Ducati offering (Panigale R) and comparing that to the value the Desmosedici RR offered over the next best Ducati bike of its time. Obviously the overall value someone attributes to a particular item is subjective, so for the purposes of this examination I attempted to quantify value based off pricing differentials and a very select set of performance characteristics: horsepower, torque, and kerb weight. Other factors that contribute to value by offering uniqueness or additional performance enhancing qualities (e.g., DTC, launch control, inclusion of exotic materials, number of units produced, etc.) were not factored but should certainly be separately considered.

The model I contrived to derive performance values is very simplistic. Each horsepower unit, lb-ft. of torque, and lb. of weight is equivalent to one point with advantageous differentials always being calculated in the positive and disadvantageous differentials always being calculated in the negative. Differentials between the bikes in each category are combined into an overall point total where they are then divided by the price differential and converted into a percentage. As differentials increase, total points correspondingly increase and must be weighed against the price differential to determine a value percentage. As value increases (performance advantage divided by cost to make the jump from the next best), so too does the performance value percentage.

The Desmosedici RR was announced in 2006 during the last year of reign for the highly successful 999R; however, production did not begin until 2007 and the first unit was not actually delivered until January 2008 - the same year the much touted 1098R was released. Due to this spread, performance value calculations for the Desmosedici were made using both the 999R and the 1098R for comparisons.

My findings were as follows:

Desmosedici Value Comparison:
  • Ducati 999R: 85.5 points with a price differential of $41,005 = .2085%
  • Ducati 1098R: 16.5 points with a price differential of $32,505 = 0.0507%

Panigale Superleggera Value Comparison:
  • Ducati 1199R: 32.5 points with a price differential of 35,005 = 0.0928%

Conclusion:
The Desmosedici RR was an extraordinary step above everything else at the time of its unveiling and offered a tremendous performance value compared to the 2006 999R, but by the time it was actually delivered and in the hands of the public, the performance value it offered over the next best performing bike (1098R) was considerably less. Based on these figures, the Panigale SL not only matches the performance value offered by the Desmosedici RR when it was finally delivered, but it nearly doubles it! Thus, it could be argued that if an argument could have been made for purchasing the Desmosedici based solely on its performance characteristics and price compared to the rest of the Ducati lineup at that time, then an equally strong, if not stronger, argument could be made to justify purchasing the Panigale SL for the same reasons.
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With the value of a dollar continuing to take a dump, spending $70k in today's economy is a better bargain than spending $70k in 2008. Therefore, in my opinion, making the SL a better bargain in comparison to a Desmo but as stated above, Desmo was still a whole different beast compared to anything in the market whereas the SL is a higher end R. Maybe even what a 2014 R should have been released as. Bit of a stretch there but still.
 
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Duck41 said:
Since the official Panigale Superleggera specs were released, many of us have contentiously discussed its value and whether Ducati’s heavy marketing, hyping, and high pricing of the Panigale SL are justified. Because of this, I’ve been interested in quantifying what value the Panigale SL offers over the next best Ducati offering (Panigale R) and comparing that to the value the Desmosedici RR offered over the next best Ducati bike of its time. Obviously the overall value someone attributes to a particular item is subjective, so for the purposes of this examination I attempted to quantify value based off pricing differentials and a very select set of performance characteristics: horsepower, torque, and kerb weight. Other factors that contribute to value by offering uniqueness or additional performance enhancing qualities (e.g., DTC, launch control, inclusion of exotic materials, number of units produced, etc.) were not factored but should certainly be separately considered.

The model I contrived to derive performance values is very simplistic. Each horsepower unit, lb-ft. of torque, and lb. of weight is equivalent to one point with advantageous differentials always being calculated in the positive and disadvantageous differentials always being calculated in the negative. Differentials between the bikes in each category are combined into an overall point total where they are then divided by the price differential and converted into a percentage. As differentials increase, total points correspondingly increase and must be weighed against the price differential to determine a value percentage. As value increases (performance advantage divided by cost to make the jump from the next best), so too does the performance value percentage.

The Desmosedici RR was announced in 2006 during the last year of reign for the highly successful 999R; however, production did not begin until 2007 and the first unit was not actually delivered until January 2008 - the same year the much touted 1098R was released. Due to this spread, performance value calculations for the Desmosedici were made using both the 999R and the 1098R for comparisons.

My findings were as follows:

Desmosedici Value Comparison:
  • Ducati 999R: 85.5 points with a price differential of $41,005 = .2085%
  • Ducati 1098R: 16.5 points with a price differential of $32,505 = 0.0507%

Panigale Superleggera Value Comparison:
  • Ducati 1199R: 32.5 points with a price differential of 35,005 = 0.0928%

Conclusion:
The Desmosedici RR was an extraordinary step above everything else at the time of its unveiling and offered a tremendous performance value compared to the 2006 999R, but by the time it was actually delivered and in the hands of the public, the performance value it offered over the next best performing bike (1098R) was considerably less. Based on these figures, the Panigale SL not only matches the performance value offered by the Desmosedici RR when it was finally delivered, but it nearly doubles it! Thus, it could be argued that if an argument could have been made for purchasing the Desmosedici based solely on its performance characteristics and price compared to the rest of the Ducati lineup at that time, then an equally strong, if not stronger, argument could be made to justify purchasing the Panigale SL for the same reasons.
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If anyone here chooses to buy/not buy a motorcycle using any of the calculations above, remind me not to invite you to my next party.
 
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TricoloreSF said:
If anyone here chooses to buy/not buy a motorcycle using any of the calculations above, remind me not to invite you to my next party.
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Although his comments and logic maybe logical and systematic approach to the purchasing the 1199 R SL...nothing about riding a motorcycle is logical and it always have been a pure passion. So, with that regards, buying any motorcycles is not a logical actions. :D
 
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I like this footpeg.. alas they realized that the stock ones on the regular Pani lineup just stunk...
 
Over 75% of them have been sold already so I am guessing it won't be long before all of these are taken.. congrats to those who have decided to own this awesome machine
 
Looks like a completely diff rearset with the ability to go to GP shift without the DP adapter. Pegs look like Rizoma.
 
acowsik said:
Ducati 1199 Superleggera, 200 cv per soli 155 chili - News - Moto.it

Translate the paragraph quoted below..

"Sarà disponibile in soli 500 esemplari, ciascuno dei quali contraddistinto ed impreziosito da un
numero progressivo inciso direttamente sulla bellissima testa di sterzo. Dal debutto, comunica Ducati, sono già state vendute più del 75% delle moto che verranno prodotte. Il prezzo è di 66.000 euro."
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Here's a translation for you.

Only 500 examples will be available, each of which will have a unique number engraved on the top yoke. From its unveiling, 75% of the bikes have already been sold. The price is 66,000 Euros.
 
acowsik said:
Over 75% of them have been sold already so I am guessing it won't be long before all of these are taken.. congrats to those who have decided to own this awesome machine
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Really? Wonder why MotoCorsa is begging people to put down deposits on their facebook page then?
 

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