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Oil coolant? Corrosion?… In an oil passage?

That makes absolutely no sense.

Hate to break it to you, you selfish prick, but the world needs more of people like me calling out others stupidity. Amazing that you don’t see how much risk you put on that everyone on track with you. Just think of the ramifications if the engine let go and spilled oil across the track you ....... git. Get your head out of your arse and think about others instead of you having fun and not wanting to “loose” a session
 
SuperDomestique said:
Oil coolant? Corrosion?… In an oil passage?

That makes absolutely no sense.

Hate to break it to you, you selfish prick, but the world needs more of people like me calling out others stupidity. Amazing that you don’t see how much risk you put on that everyone on track with you. Just think of the ramifications if the engine let go and spilled oil across the track you ....... git. Get your head out of your arse and think about others instead of you having fun and not wanting to “loose” a session
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Hehe touched a nerve did I. Truth hurts sometimes doesn’t it. Your choice of language there also shows lack of vocabulary, something else to be proud of! Have a nice evening mate put your feet up and get off the forums.
 
Jamescrawshaw said:
Hehe touched a nerve did I. Truth hurts sometimes doesn’t it. Your choice of language there also shows lack of vocabulary, something else to be proud of! Have a nice evening mate put your feet up and get off the forums.
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James, most people on this forum are here to help in a positive manner but there are unfortunately a handful that feel they need to take jabs at others and it is really unfortunate as it ruins the forum for the majority of us.

My best advice is don't feed the trolls. They clearly have more issues otherwise would not feel the need to do this and its not worth our time to engage at that level.

There's also another forum I can point you too we're there's good discussion and active moderators who remove people who behave this way. I know @duc tries but he's one guy
 
Man, Seth, what does it feel like being James’ cuck? Call me what you will but I’m not wrong. This thread is asinine. James knowingly put fellow track riders at risk. And that’s ....... retarded. That kind of stupidity should be berated not accepted.
 
SuperDomestique said:
Man, Seth, what does it feel like being James’ cuck? Call me what you will but I’m not wrong. This thread is asinine. James knowingly put fellow track riders at risk. And that’s ....... retarded. That kind of stupidity should be berated not accepted.
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Your have valid point and it was noted BUT nothing happened, so move on…!
 
If some dude fired a gun into a crowd and no one got hit out of dumb luck, I don't know if you can attribute that as 'nothing happened move on.' An extreme example, but this is a dangerous sport. Needless risk is needless.

Taking a bike with a known defect to a track and riding it as one does on a track is a very reckless move. In this instance, nothing happened to another rider, but it could have been catastrophic for someone else by no fault of their own. This is my problem with this thread.

I think the OP got his in the form of a blown engine but I don't view that in a good way. I wish the whole thing could have been avoided and don't see the need to dog pile him further.
 
Jamescrawshaw said:
the bikes oil coolant return line was blocked from corrosion from being parked up for so long which cooked the motor whilst it got to hot
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Yikes. Exactly how many decades was the bike parked? It's a little bananas that this failure is attributed to a build up of corrosion sufficient enough to block an oil line given the bike had an abnormal noise from the water pump...eh.
 
SirJAG said:
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2012 1199 base - Blown vertical piston/head 30K miles

Hello Everyone, Wanted to share my 2012 1199 story. Purchased Sep 2020 with 12K miles on clock. I know the pervious and only other owner personally. Actually lives across the street from me. Desmo had been done by dealer at 11K while still under warranty for oil leaks from several gaskets...
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Man, just read your post. Frustrating. I'm trying to literally buy peace of mind with frequent oil changes (pretty much after every track day so every thousand miles). Not sure it'll actually help things
 
SirJAG said:
@SuperDomestique ya man...almost 20K miles on the 1299 now...during the last desmo had the tech take pictures with scope of both piston heads, and valves...everything looks good so far, fingers crossed!
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Sounds like a bottom end problem more than anything. Like excessive/premature bearing wear (like BMW S55/65 engines) or inadequate con rod strength (like on McLaren 720). In either case, it’s a matter of when not if things are going to take a .....

If it’s bearing wear, I’m thinking frequent oil changes and letting the engine warm up properly will slow the wear. If it’s crappy con rods, it’s either replace with better ones or keep the revs down.

Unfortunately, to do preventative maintenance requires splitting the engine which is so dumb. It’s like they designed the engines not to be easily serviceable.
 
Like easily checking at least rod bearings and replacing as needed. On car engines, you just drop the oil pan. Not on a Duc. Removing the oil pan will only get you into the gearbox. This is the access you get on a V4 motor.

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bp_SFV4 said:
I wouldn’t consider checking bearings preventative maintence. When was the last time you dropped an oil pan to check bearings?
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Having easy access might and the ability to easily change bearings would probably prevent a lot of these grenaded engines. It’s like the BMW motor problem. Initially it wasn’t a thing but now it’s considered routine maintenance
 
bp_SFV4 said:
Considered by whom?

You never read about all the bikes that didn’t spin a bearing. I think you are putting too much weight on the failures.
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Nah dog. If you track your V4, it's bound to fail. Like I said before, it's not a matter of IF it will detonate, it's WHEN. Riding it easier just prolongs the inevitability. Just look at the V4 race schedule maintenance. For the normal V4, a complete engine refresh is every 3k mi. On the V4R, it's 1500 mi. The serviceability could be improved.
 
Yeah, but I don't think the racing schedule applies to track days. I mean, maybe if you're winning in A group, but that's not most track riders. It's great the valve train can keep up with the high RPM, but the lower end doesn't seem to be quite as able. I think this is the reason the R has a more severe schedule as it revs higher. I also don't know how much this deviates from other brands.

The Ducati engine builder which came up in another thread, @craig bush mentioned him, has a blurb on his site saying when they blueprint a Ducati engine they use Corse spec tolerances which are actually looser, making spinning a bearing less likely. The same builder said 5k track miles was all he expected out of one of these engines which seems to be in line with Craig's experience.

IIRC, Craig got to 5k before his V4 detonated, but he didn't take a bike with a failing water pump to the track. If spinning a bearing in the bottom end is the death knell of the V4, mitigating heat and keeping it well oiled is the priority.
 

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