1299s first impressions

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Finally it was track time again. I drove first set with street tires early in the morning, when it was still foggy and almost raining. (actual reason for street tires was that I was too lazy to change them)

https://youtu.be/_-EHAVa83no

And that was it, my Contour decided that it is not filming any more. It starts, but cuts down during session and the file is corrupted. 1.49,xx in that first outing. Later on drove 1.44,xx times when SBK class race winner was going 1.39,xx earlier this summer.

I had problems with rear end, I was shredding tires like crazy. When you destroy 3 new Pirellis in one day, it is beginning to be expensive. Ended up softening rear end and stiffening front (also springs). This was helping, but I ran out of time.
 
It has a lot more rear grip than 1199 eh? I noticed you were not shy with it but the TC light did not light up as often as 1199.
Impressive!
 
I stay in race mode nearly all of the time. I'm pretty gentle and sensitive with the throttle so there's my "progressive" throttle mapping right there when I need it. I currently have the +/- buttons set to DWC but can change that to DTC. Because of that option, I feel that Race mode covers most riding situations for me.

Sport mode, I have set up for highway slab cruising. Suspension all at softest, but engine power still at high, and electronic nannies set higher than in Race mode.

Wet is wet. Low power mode, everything cranked up. When it rains, it rains :p
 
kismetcapitan said:
I stay in race mode nearly all of the time. I'm pretty gentle and sensitive with the throttle so there's my "progressive" throttle mapping right there when I need it. I currently have the +/- buttons set to DWC but can change that to DTC. Because of that option, I feel that Race mode covers most riding situations for me.

Sport mode, I have set up for highway slab cruising. Suspension all at softest, but engine power still at high, and electronic nannies set higher than in Race mode.

Wet is wet. Low power mode, everything cranked up. When it rains, it rains :p
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I keep it in race mode all the time.. Like you said, my right wrist is the "progressive" part of the equation. If you keep it in race mode, you get used to the way the throttle works and your wrist becomes more "educated" and you develop better fine motor skills in that way.
 
80shilling said:
I keep it in race mode all the time.. Like you said, my right wrist is the "progressive" part of the equation. If you keep it in race mode, you get used to the way the throttle works and your wrist becomes more "educated" and you develop better fine motor skills in that way.
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That's true, but it is more exhausting when speeds are slow.
 
80shilling said:
I keep it in race mode all the time.. Like you said, my right wrist is the "progressive" part of the equation. If you keep it in race mode, you get used to the way the throttle works and your wrist becomes more "educated" and you develop better fine motor skills in that way.
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Agreed. I spent too much time with Sport mode, thinking I have to work up to the Race mode with throttling issues (my right hand) on the track. When I finally got into Race mode, bike in general worked better and I'm honing my throttling better this way.
 
Marmoot said:
It has a lot more rear grip than 1199 eh? I noticed you were not shy with it but the TC light did not light up as often as 1199.
Impressive!
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My experience on 1199 is not so vast, I guess 1299 might be a bit better but 1199 was not too bad either. But it was cold, almost raining, foggy/misty, Supercorsa SPs, only second time in that new track and so on. I was riding like sissy in that session with very careful throttle.

The track has a lot of new in it. It was old and short, they made extension into it and I like it. Tarmac is special, a lot of bitumen in it. So it is literally destroying tires if compound, pressure, suspension or anything is a bit wrong.

But I like it now, long fast corners, hard brakings and so on. So one part of destroying tires is that I have to learn how to adjust the bike, which compound to use in which conditions and that normal stuff. And the other part is that I think I wasn't able to pin it from the apex, so I was nailing it when bike was already coming up. And that is heavy for the tires. Being only 5seconds off from real SBK races times, wasn't too bad. But next yime I will be only 3secs slower (at least try to :) )
 
I'm what people call progressive with throttle on corner exit too, and even with slicks on DTC 1 the TC light comes on more often than that. I suspect it's the better swingarm angle the 1299 has
 
SuperDuc29 said:
Agreed. I spent too much time with Sport mode, thinking I have to work up to the Race mode with throttling issues (my right hand) on the track. When I finally got into Race mode, bike in general worked better and I'm honing my throttling better this way.
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my first full-sized bike was an Aprilia RS250. I had been riding about a month. That taught me throttle control very quickly!!
 
I went to the same track again. Still having tire issue. Ended up softening reb & comp more, and finally tire started to behave. But softening brought another problem, bike wasn't turning as it was. So I had to increase spring because I did not have right spanners for lengthening the shock. And Akra heat shield screw started scraping the ground even with 200/60 rear tire (unluckily lean angle thread is locked :D). I really do not want to grind OEM fairings or titanium Akra, so I probably have to raise the bike.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-j_oKL3tntvS0RENU95cGlOdkk/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-j_oKL3tntvc1YyU2FVTWdCQUU/view?usp=sharing

Taller DP screen is excellent in track conditions as expected. Highly recommended.

I also made grippier pegs for OEM rearsets. OMG they are good now.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-j_oKL3tntvMGRrVmhMZDNja2M/view?usp=sharing
 
Raaseri said:
I went to the same track again. Still having tire issue. Ended up softening reb & comp more, and finally tire started to behave. But softening brought another problem, bike wasn't turning as it was. So I had to increase spring because I did not have right spanners for lengthening the shock. And Akra heat shield screw started scraping the ground even with 200/60 rear tire (unluckily lean angle thread is locked :D). I really do not want to grind OEM fairings or titanium Akra, so I probably have to raise the bike.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-j_oKL3tntvS0RENU95cGlOdkk/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-j_oKL3tntvc1YyU2FVTWdCQUU/view?usp=sharing

Taller DP screen is excellent in track conditions as expected. Highly recommended.

I also made grippier pegs for OEM rearsets. OMG they are good now.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-j_oKL3tntvMGRrVmhMZDNja2M/view?usp=sharing
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you probably have a severe suspension problem here ;
If you could post some pictures of the used tires so that we could see how they get destroyed . For suspension settings see here : http://ducati1299.com/ducati-1299/2...spension-settings-handling-discussions-9.html
 
Desmove1299S said:
you probably have a severe suspension problem here ;
If you could post some pictures of the used tires so that we could see how they get destroyed . For suspension settings see here : http://ducati1299.com/ducati-1299/2...spension-settings-handling-discussions-9.html
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I would not use word severe. The track has new tarmac, it is heavy for the tires even in advanced group. And I ride under 4secs from Finnish Championship pole position time in a quite long track. So tires should wear in that pace with street bike.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-j_oKL3tntvMDJNeFVvOTRsekE

That is one of the destroyed SC1s, I guess less than 30 laps. But I almost got it sorted out. Let's see what happens after I raise the bike a bit, suspension messed again...

And sorry. Rider weight, riding style, track surface, temperature, tire... There are so many variables in this equation, I see no point trying to figure it out in internet forun consensus settings. I will get it good, after some testing and tires. What is good for me, most likely won't be good for most of you.
 
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Well If you know you're fast already and of course all conditions should be taken into account , you're right.
But bike setting is pretty straight forward and logical in all aspects .
and the fact that you're posting your experience is to somehow exchange and get some feedback or interest, right ?
Nevertheless your worn tire aspect is very ...... up even on fresh tarmac . I use SC1 rear, only when the Temp is quite high like over 34 °C with massive sun. on the tarmac
I'm currently using SC 2 rear while the temp is 19 ° C to 30 °C. While Finland is probably quite hot in this season, right ?
in case of rough tarmac SC2 would behave better .

Not knowing that you're fast, I would say your tire never heat up properly, your rear suspension is not working at all that's your tire doing their job.

Thank's for the picture anyway and I'll be more than happy to have you sharing, how 'd you fix that problem , simple curiosity
 
Raaseri said:
I went to the same track again. Still having tire issue. Ended up softening reb & comp more, and finally tire started to behave. But softening brought another problem, bike wasn't turning as it was. So I had to increase spring because I did not have right spanners for lengthening the shock. And Akra heat shield screw started scraping the ground even with 200/60 rear tire (unluckily lean angle thread is locked :D). I really do not want to grind OEM fairings or titanium Akra, so I probably have to raise the bike.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-j_oKL3tntvS0RENU95cGlOdkk/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-j_oKL3tntvc1YyU2FVTWdCQUU/view?usp=sharing

Taller DP screen is excellent in track conditions as expected. Highly recommended.

I also made grippier pegs for OEM rearsets. OMG they are good now.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-j_oKL3tntvMGRrVmhMZDNja2M/view?usp=sharing
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The 1299 Panigale has lots of ground clearance. (much more than most jap bikes on lean angle) Either your springs are way too soft or you need to change the way you ride.. 1. Try staying on the throttle in the turns to keep the suspension loaded more evenly and 2. you could hang off more and keep the bike more upright.. ...:D
I am 6'5'' and weight 245 with full leathers and I NEVER drag body parts on my 1299 and it has the stock springs... :D Just a suggestion..
Speedy
 
As above, I really can't work out how you could be dragging parts of the Panigale. To drag the pegs you have to be way way leant over, and even then it does not drag the exhausts anyhow? I'm no expert but its almost like your Sag isn't set up right?
 
Well, from the first post in this thread, second paragraph:

"Something about me. I'm almost 42years old. I have been riding since I was 6. I also used to race motocross, enduro, supermoto, iceroadracing and roadracing. Racing days were over 2006 when I won last Supersport class Finnish championship. But I am still a track day fan, go there and have been able to put Rookie 1000-class winning lap times with a standard street bike. I do consider myself still pretty fast, though far from competing in championship class."

I can stop telling my impressions. I wasn't trying to confuse anybody, but neither asking for help. Springs are stock, elbow some 4 inches from the ground. Probably could improve my riding position, but I feel no need to. My weight is around 82kg, but I try to ride pretty hard. I love to take standard street bike to the track tease competing youngsters with their fully built BMWs.
 

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