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Mr bradp51 never fear. PA has told me in confidence that ArseHammer is butt stroking over to Down Under as we speak. Glad I could be of assistance in some small way.
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Mr bradp51 never fear. PA has told me in confidence that ArseHammer is butt stroking over to Down Under as we speak. Glad I could be of assistance in some small way.
I would say to get what you want and can afford. I have experienced club racing and A-group track riding a Yamaha r6 and an Aprilia RSV4-RF. I just had a nice long demo ride on a 2016 1299 base and it was wonderful, more bike than I would ever need on the street; so its not a question of function. On the other hand I do not think you will have any problem riding the R, its tuned to race, but it needs to be able to run slowly around the pits as well. I'm guessing it should be totally fine to ride on the street. And face it, these bikes are absolutely beautiful mechanical artwork. The R is more. Enjoy!
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My 1199S full termi is the best street bike I have ever rode.
Could have bought a couch or sofa, not my cup of tea. Buddy rides the 16 BMW RS 1200 I leave him in the dust often and we have the same skill set. Over a 120 he cant hang anymore
Much better then the 848
Much better then the 1100 gsxr
Much better then my ZX6e
I will say living in an area with only canyons makes all the difference.
Could have bought a couch or sofa, not my cup of tea. Buddy rides the 16 BMW RS 1200 I leave him in the dust often and we have the same skill set. Over a 120 he cant hang anymore
Much better then the 848
Much better then the 1100 gsxr
Much better then my ZX6e
I will say living in an area with only canyons makes all the difference.
Sorry, but had to comment on that as its so true. When I was around 20 years old i really really really wanted an rgv250. I remember there was a really good write up about it in Performance Bikes magazine and I must have read that article 100 times. Living every descriptive word about the bike with the journalist that wrote the review. I never ever managed to get one as I just could not afford it and my dad at the time would not be a guarantor on the HP deal so I was out of luck. Fast forward 22 years and to this day I still want one deep down. In fact, I had a sneaky look the other day on Autotrader to see what they are going for now that I can afford one. (they are around £3.5k for a 91 model!!!). I bet you ill end up getting one soon enough. Even if it is 22 years too late.
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After riding my 14R for 2 seasons in western MT, endless high speed sweeping roads hard to ride under 120, with elevations 3-7k feet. Just spent last 5 weeks in the LA area
Riding Malibu Canyons, the infamous ACH hwy 2 & surrounding areas, thought being
In sea level to 2k elevation that I was going to feel extra power from the lower altitude
but I did not feel anything, you cannot buy any non ethernol fuel in CA this plus all the horrendous traffic made my bikes poor low speed fuelling really apparent, something that
I barely notice in MT.
I briefly worked at bike repair shop while there and had a chance to ride 899 959 1199 &
1299s all are much smoother more streetable than my R, but nothing is like an R above
7k, rode with few other Panigale's base to S all were just in my way until I got around them
For full on riding nothing like it out there IMO.
Riding Malibu Canyons, the infamous ACH hwy 2 & surrounding areas, thought being
In sea level to 2k elevation that I was going to feel extra power from the lower altitude
but I did not feel anything, you cannot buy any non ethernol fuel in CA this plus all the horrendous traffic made my bikes poor low speed fuelling really apparent, something that
I barely notice in MT.
I briefly worked at bike repair shop while there and had a chance to ride 899 959 1199 &
1299s all are much smoother more streetable than my R, but nothing is like an R above
7k, rode with few other Panigale's base to S all were just in my way until I got around them
For full on riding nothing like it out there IMO.
I have an 1199R and ride if often in the streets of Denver and LA. I can think of better rides, but if it's your sole streetbike/trackbike, then there's nothing wrong with even commuting with it--it seems to do pretty much everything well.
Just my personal opinion.. I ride in WET mode in the city. I have read others that say theirs is totally fine in either SPORT or RACE, but riding in a rodeo getting to/fro work can be challenging at times. Oh, and don't forget the silicone potholder to strap to your right thigh once summer hits.
Just my personal opinion.. I ride in WET mode in the city. I have read others that say theirs is totally fine in either SPORT or RACE, but riding in a rodeo getting to/fro work can be challenging at times. Oh, and don't forget the silicone potholder to strap to your right thigh once summer hits.
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550 miles on my 2016 Pani R and loving it. It's a rocket... love it
I've been riding a 2015 Pani R on for almost a year now. I took delivery of the first one to come to this area last May. I put 2800 miles on it before I parked it for the winter. About half of those were on the track at MMP (now Utah Motorsports Campus) and the other half were on the street. Of the street miles almost half of those were just commuting to work. I've never wished to have something else instead.
My commute is only 4.5 miles. Almost no stop and go, but it does include one 20mph school zone. I find the seat shape to be more comfortable than most of the other current sport bikes.
We've had a horrible winter here so the roads have a lot of sand and gravel on them right now. I've tested out the TC and ABS on the gravel and it performs well, definitely an added margin of safety.
Downsides, it gets hot if you sit in traffic and the suspension is pretty firm. I've got my sag set correctly for my weight (had to change rear spring) and it's still stiff at normal street speeds.
Upsides, too numerous to list.
Edit: I keep my "street" profile setup so that the TC and ABS are fairly high but I edited it so that I'm still in "high" engine output. I feel like the fueling and throttle response are a bit cleaner in "high." My "track" profile also uses high engine output but drops the ABS, TC, and WC levels way down. I only used the low power mode on wet roads. I experimented with the low power mode a bit in the dry and it was more annoying than anything.
My commute is only 4.5 miles. Almost no stop and go, but it does include one 20mph school zone. I find the seat shape to be more comfortable than most of the other current sport bikes.
We've had a horrible winter here so the roads have a lot of sand and gravel on them right now. I've tested out the TC and ABS on the gravel and it performs well, definitely an added margin of safety.
Downsides, it gets hot if you sit in traffic and the suspension is pretty firm. I've got my sag set correctly for my weight (had to change rear spring) and it's still stiff at normal street speeds.
Upsides, too numerous to list.
Edit: I keep my "street" profile setup so that the TC and ABS are fairly high but I edited it so that I'm still in "high" engine output. I feel like the fueling and throttle response are a bit cleaner in "high." My "track" profile also uses high engine output but drops the ABS, TC, and WC levels way down. I only used the low power mode on wet roads. I experimented with the low power mode a bit in the dry and it was more annoying than anything.
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Great picture!
I wish that was the 405! But, it isn't.
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Ive been putting my Panigale R through the paces on the street and canyons. I find it no harder than my 1299 S and easier than my old 1199. It 's by far the best bike I've ever owned. There are better "street" bikes out there if you are looking for a commuter. The biggest difference I notice between the the 1299 S and the Panigale R is the 1299 S suspension is perfect for street riding I got kind of spoiled with it. The R give you tons more of stability when riding it hard and the engine is smooth and crazy fast. Warp Speed Mr. Sulu.... I could go on and on comparing the the 1199 vs 1299S vs Panigale R but they will all do just fine on the street. BTW a Ducati tech told me about a little Easter Egg so I went out to see if it was true. He told me the Panigale R Speedo turns off at 186mph and comes back on at 207mph (its really 202mph GPS verified). Has anyone else seen this?
I could go on and on comparing the the 1199 vs 1299S vs Panigale R but they will all do just fine on the street. BTW a Ducati tech told me about a little Easter Egg so I went out to see if it was true. He told me the Panigale R Speedo turns off at 186mph and comes back on at 207mph (its really 202mph GPS verified). Has anyone else seen this?
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202mph on a bone stock Panigale?
With all due respect, I am going to have to wave the ........ flag on that one.
Contrary to popular belief, motorcycles are NOT very aerodynamic and the coefficient of drag increases exponentially as you get faster. So it takes MUCH more HP to go from 180mph to 190mph, than it does to go from 50mph to 60mph.
That is why stock 600s can't reach redline in 6th gear. They have the gearing to get there, but they don't have the HP. Their top speed is not gearing restricted, it is HP restricted. They simply aren't powerful enough to overcome the drag at those speeds. Which is why you can go 0/+2 or even -1/0 in some cases on a 600 and not lose any top end...you couldn't reach that top end anyway, it was theoretical.
The only stock motored Liter bike I know of to reach a true 200mph was a BMW on the Bonneville Salt Flats, and it took some good mods and work to do it. Obvious stuff like full exhaust, race filter, excellent dyno tuning work, ceramic bearings, etc. It also took a +1 front sprocket, special made windscreen, special bodywork bolts that were completely flat, they had to use tape over several body panel ridges/openings, etc to decrease drag, had to use a really little/skinny rider, so on and so forth...and it took forever to reach that 200mph.
The generic rule of thumb is that it takes 200hp to go 200mph. That is of course very generic and doesn't take into account weight, if the wind is blowing, rider size, etc. 200mph has been reached with lower HP, but it took a very small rider and lots of streamlining of the bodywork. It also depends on the shape of the bodywork and frontal area. For example, IIRC the ZX14 needs about 8 more HP to reach 200mph than the Busa does because the Busa's front end is more aerodynamic.
And BTW - neither a stock Busa nor ZX14 will reach 200mph off the showroom floor.
So yeah, you will excuse me if I find it hard to believe that a typical rider took a regular/stock Panigale out on the street and hit a true 200mph.
With all due respect, I am going to have to wave the ........ flag on that one.
Contrary to popular belief, motorcycles are NOT very aerodynamic and the coefficient of drag increases exponentially as you get faster. So it takes MUCH more HP to go from 180mph to 190mph, than it does to go from 50mph to 60mph.
That is why stock 600s can't reach redline in 6th gear. They have the gearing to get there, but they don't have the HP. Their top speed is not gearing restricted, it is HP restricted. They simply aren't powerful enough to overcome the drag at those speeds. Which is why you can go 0/+2 or even -1/0 in some cases on a 600 and not lose any top end...you couldn't reach that top end anyway, it was theoretical.
The only stock motored Liter bike I know of to reach a true 200mph was a BMW on the Bonneville Salt Flats, and it took some good mods and work to do it. Obvious stuff like full exhaust, race filter, excellent dyno tuning work, ceramic bearings, etc. It also took a +1 front sprocket, special made windscreen, special bodywork bolts that were completely flat, they had to use tape over several body panel ridges/openings, etc to decrease drag, had to use a really little/skinny rider, so on and so forth...and it took forever to reach that 200mph.
The generic rule of thumb is that it takes 200hp to go 200mph. That is of course very generic and doesn't take into account weight, if the wind is blowing, rider size, etc. 200mph has been reached with lower HP, but it took a very small rider and lots of streamlining of the bodywork. It also depends on the shape of the bodywork and frontal area. For example, IIRC the ZX14 needs about 8 more HP to reach 200mph than the Busa does because the Busa's front end is more aerodynamic.
And BTW - neither a stock Busa nor ZX14 will reach 200mph off the showroom floor.
So yeah, you will excuse me if I find it hard to believe that a typical rider took a regular/stock Panigale out on the street and hit a true 200mph.
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i hit 182mph gps on my 13 R at Cota and this was a bike with a blueprinted engine along with a full Akra and RB etc.
To be honest i didn't think there was a whole lot left maybe another 5 mph if i had the runway and possibly a little more if it was geared for long straights, but there is no way it would get to 200mph thats a totally different animal as Chaotic said.
Leslie did it on a Fireblade
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