2018 Ducati V4 Its real, well at least the motor

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Macattack, First there are no stupid questions. Bahahahaha. Boy whoever came up with that BS. You could ask and I guarantee you I would probably fail on a lot of subject matter but I would do my best to research it, understand it, try it in an application and make sure I do not get it incorrect the second time around. If someone is ignorant at something and remains so due to the inability to elucidate the answer that's one thing. To remain ignorant when you have the ability to become educated and continue to converse ignorantly about the same subject matter, well that just requires a good bitch slapping by your peers. There are a lot of guys here that are doing it right. It would be great if there were more topics based on accurate data and accurate solutions rather than what Toms, sisters, dads uncle read on the internet.
 
LOL. Like I have said on occasion, I'm just another jerk off full of ignorance about a lot of things but I do try and make a consorted effort to be a little less so as time goes on. Fat, poor, ignorant and dependent is no way to go through life. Big kudos to the guys that actually get out ther and "DO". True heros of society.
 
endodoc said:
Hi Captain

Great post and not to worry, I get the sarcasm and I afford you that opportunity because well, I guess your some sort of leader of your ship being a captain and all. My highlights on my resume, well as they would pertain to this subject, my background and education is Aerospace Engineering with a minor in molecular chemistry. I flew tactical aircraft with VF-51 in the Navy and research aircraft for Hughes Aerospace out of Pt Mugu ca. One of my employment stints before the navy was as a materials engineer with Penske Indy Car and Granatelli Racing working with Swift Engineering on CF chassis technology. I currently own a medical research facility that specializes in metabolomics focused on metabolic fueling. Additionally I own a R&D facility called Disruptive Technologies. We have built and patented a completely revolutionary way to make food using sonic energy. Additionally we have now built a prototype machine that will replace Forged Composites with a very fast, low cost alternative. Our first product off this machine will be very low cost CMC rotors. We are now making CF parts that require no vacuum system or autoclave. The process time to make a part is under 5 seconds. So to answer your question, no I did not design and built a 1299 motor from a foundry perspective. I did build one using a lot of parts that I did make and I also designed and machined many of the pieces on the bike. Im sure if you can figure out (or maybe have the neighbors kid show you)how to use the search feature, you can find my post on the build.You want to talk about metallurgical engineering, aerospace fasteners, torque specs, grain flow in forging, grainless forging of aerospace materials, bring it on Captain. Just steer your little dingy this way and we can go at it. Obviously, (.... hopefully, but who knows) you understood the context of what I wrote. For some reason, you took offense to it. Now to answer the rest of your question, do I think I could build an engine from scratch including the design, engineering and machine work?. Yes, I do and it would not be that difficult at all. Autodesk Fusion 360, 3D printing and 4 axis CNC. Take a stroll through Youtube and look at all the small shops now doing just that. Now maybe you should go check on your row boat, I hear a mutiny is in the works and there is a plank with your name on it.
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Does this mean we can start buying CMC rotors off of you instead of waiting around for Braketech to come out with theirs?!
 
CMC rotors are relatively easy to produce especially with the tech we have today. Go look at the Brembo video on how they make rotors. The material costs are nominal. The cost is in the time and additional processes that it takes for a finished product. Our mfg process is completely different. It is much faster and more accurate. We can produce an unfinished rotor in under a minute. We're working on the rest of the steps now. The real issue is DOT certificate and I doubt we will ever go that far. Someone who takes over or licenses the tech may elect to but it won't be me. I hope to have a few sets to try in the next couple of months but there are no plans to make and sell for obvious liability reasons.
 
endodoc said:
CMC rotors are relatively easy to produce especially with the tech we have today. Go look at the Brembo video on how they make rotors. The material costs are nominal. The cost is in the time and additional processes that it takes for a finished product. Our mfg process is completely different. It is much faster and more accurate. We can produce an unfinished rotor in under a minute. We're working on the rest of the steps now. The real issue is DOT certificate and I doubt we will ever go that far. Someone who takes over or licenses the tech may elect to but it won't be me. I hope to have a few sets to try in the next couple of months but there are no plans to make and sell for obvious liability reasons.
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Sounds like an interesting project.
 
I'm stamping out test pieces of both chopped and woven CF pieces now. Once I lay the material in the die, the part is pressed and cured in 3-5 seconds depending on layers and fabric. Compare that to many hours for vacuum bagging, autoclave and labor. The part is actually stronger than the conventional method as well.
 
endodoc said:
I'm stamping out test pieces of both chopped and woven CF pieces now. Once I lay the material in the die, the part is pressed and cured in 3-5 seconds depending on layers and fabric. Compare that to many hours for vacuum bagging, autoclave and labor. The part is actually stronger than the conventional method as well.
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Can you post some pics of these as you go along for us curious folk in a new thread? Would love to watch the progress and the final outcome.
 
I keep seeing this thread pushed to the top and every time I think "Sweet there is more news about the V4!" But no :( just bickering...
 
Here is some news. Its going to have 4 cylinders. Probably round (well it is Ducati so maybe not exactly round). It will make noise and require some sort of combustable material to run. Thats all I have.
 
Twistedracer said:
Can you post some pics of these as you go along for us curious folk in a new thread? Would love to watch the progress and the final outcome.
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Endo, sent me some pics of his Honda CBR. He definitely takes care of his bikes.

If I go overseas again and cant take my bikes with me...I'll ask to leave it at his house and pay him to work on it.

I would trust him more than the dealers. I recently got my bike back and it is missing 5 fairing washers and one had double plastic washers on one bolt....If its not warranty work...... dealers...except few that I know I can trust.
 
youngR said:
Endo, sent me some pics of his Honda CBR. He definitely takes care of his bikes.

If I go overseas again and cant take my bikes with me...I'll ask to leave it at his house and pay him to work on it.

I would trust him more than the dealers. I recently got my bike back and it is missing 5 fairing washers and one had double plastic washers on one bolt....If its not warranty work...... dealers...except few that I know I can trust.
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I know how you feel. There used to be a dealer which the mechanic could never install the bodywork right on my 998.
 
NW1299 said:
I have it on good authority that a V4 Pani R announcement will be coming within 3 weeks.
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Let me caveat this.

It sounds fairly concrete that the final edition Panigale will be announced at Laguna WSBK.

There is a chance the V4 is held until EICMA, but the intent from Ducati is to race the V4 in WSBK 2018, so timeline is a factor.

Highly likely we will get at least a leak, if not a full announcement, during the Laguna WSBK round, and I may be there so hopefully they've got the new bike(s) there for viewing.


Don't kill the messenger.
 
youngR said:
Endo, sent me some pics of his Honda CBR. He definitely takes care of his bikes.

If I go overseas again and cant take my bikes with me...I'll ask to leave it at his house and pay him to work on it.

I would trust him more than the dealers. I recently got my bike back and it is missing 5 fairing washers and one had double plastic washers on one bolt....If its not warranty work...... dealers...except few that I know I can trust.
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Same here on dealers/shops in general! As a tech with experience from .... boxes to exotics every part that I take off goes back on as intended by the engineers. There's a reason why they are there! That's the main reason why I do everything in my power to avoid shops and dealers.
 
NW1299 said:
Let me caveat this.

It sounds fairly concrete that the final edition Panigale will be announced at Laguna WSBK.

There is a chance the V4 is held until EICMA, but the intent from Ducati is to race the V4 in WSBK 2018, so timeline is a factor.

Highly likely we will get at least a leak, if not a full announcement, during the Laguna WSBK round, and I may be there so hopefully they've got the new bike(s) there for viewing.


Don't kill the messenger.
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Well last time Motocorsa stepped up and did the leak on Ducati's behalf. Maybe I should go get some coffee there this week:D
 

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