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SuperDomestique · Sunday at 4:15 AM

spooky said:
Who was the organiser? Most is a fun circuit.

No transponders and choose your own group? That’s crazy. Pick your own group sticker… ideal for a certain type of person and dangerous for everyone else.

Who was the organization running this alleged trackday at Laguna where there’s a 70 mph speed difference?

It’s not choose your own group at least w the orgs that I ride with. Rather it’s good consistent and predictable riding that gets you into more advanced groups. Lap times alone don’t get you bumped.

When I was riding in the A group with PTT at Laguna spinning 1m45-50s laps, I never ran into any problems with faster riders. No one in the group had any issue w my riding. Everyone was respectful and speed differences were mainly at corner apex to exit which is the safest time to pass.

mayhan1980 · Sunday at 4:45 PM

spooky said:
Who was the organiser? Most is a fun circuit.

No transponders and choose your own group? That’s crazy. Pick your own group sticker… ideal for a certain type of person and dangerous for everyone else.

Moto Racing School GMBH, great organization. I love Most, great lay out. And close to Prague

I went two times to watch the WSBK and one time to ride it myself.
Yes, you get to pick your own group. I heard people say "I like the A group, they have better riders, I feel safer, B riders are sketchy".
I personally don't mind coming up on a slower rider with 5-6 seconds slower occasionally, but anything above 8-10 seconds does frustrate me.

mayhan1980 · Sunday at 4:58 PM

SuperDomestique said:
Who was the organization running this alleged trackday at Laguna where there’s a 70 mph speed difference?

It’s not choose your own group at least w the orgs that I ride with. Rather it’s good consistent and predictable riding that gets you into more advanced groups. Lap times alone don’t get you bumped.

When I was riding in the A group with PTT at Laguna spinning 1m45-50s laps, I never ran into any problems with faster riders. No one in the group had any issue w my riding. Everyone was respectful and speed differences were mainly at corner apex to exit which is the safest time to pass.

I don't want to put one organization down with Laguna example as this is a common problem with most organizations. They demoted that rider after 2 sessions of me complaining back to back.
I don't know you personally, haven't watched you riding either but if you're running 1:45-50, you should really take your time in B group no matter how predictable you are. There is no shame in being with the B group, and no pride of being an A rider. I just went to Chuckwalla for 2 days recently. I signed up A group for CCW direction, B group for CW direction. I've never done CW before and my pace was 8-9 seconds difference to CCW when I started lapping. At the end of the day I improved 5 seconds but my next one I will still do B group to take make sure I have my lines and markers down exactly to lap another 4-5 seconds faster to be adequate for A group. I was already the fastest guy in B group at the end of the day but what matters is that my lap times are still closer to fast B guys in CW.

SuperDomestique · Sunday at 8:44 PM

mayhan1980 said:
I don't want to put one organization down with Laguna example as this is a common problem with most organizations. They demoted that rider after 2 sessions of me complaining back to back.
I don't know you personally, haven't watched you riding either but if you're running 1:45-50, you should really take your time in B group no matter how predictable you are. There is no shame in being with the B group, and no pride of being an A rider. I just went to Chuckwalla for 2 days recently. I signed up A group for CCW direction, B group for CW direction. I've never done CW before and my pace was 8-9 seconds difference to CCW when I started lapping. At the end of the day I improved 5 seconds but my next one I will still do B group to take make sure I have my lines and markers down exactly to lap another 4-5 seconds faster to be adequate for A group. I was already the fastest guy in B group at the end of the day but what matters is that my lap times are still closer to fast B guys in CW.

Don’t mind riding in B’s. I think I honestly ride at a B+ level. Not fast, not slow. My thought is to always ride consistently and aim for good lines.

On this day, I asked to move up to A’s because I was significantly outpacing the B+ group (probably top 5 riders in a 30 rider group). I was even a bit trepidatious with this idea as I typically don’t ride A’s so I had a control rider ride with me in B+ and A’s. Got the green light and everyone in A’s was great to ride with despite being probably the slowest rider in the group. Also learned some good lines as I was mostly riding on my own in B+.

I’m also pretty sure this was a 90ish dB day so a lot of the faster riders stay away. I’ve ridden at a no dB limit day and the real fast guys come out of the wood work.

chris838 · 2024-12-24T01:38:27-0800

mayhan1980 said:
I don't want to put one organization down with Laguna example as this is a common problem with most organizations. They demoted that rider after 2 sessions of me complaining back to back.
I don't know you personally, haven't watched you riding either but if you're running 1:45-50, you should really take your time in B group no matter how predictable you are. There is no shame in being with the B group, and no pride of being an A rider. I just went to Chuckwalla for 2 days recently. I signed up A group for CCW direction, B group for CW direction. I've never done CW before and my pace was 8-9 seconds difference to CCW when I started lapping. At the end of the day I improved 5 seconds but my next one I will still do B group to take make sure I have my lines and markers down exactly to lap another 4-5 seconds faster to be adequate for A group. I was already the fastest guy in B group at the end of the day but what matters is that my lap times are still closer to fast B guys in CW.

I agree. I currently run 2.25 in BW and 2.21 in Chuck on my zx4rr and the problem is that with my little law mower engine things get complicated. I run B group and that is typically pretty ok.
Unfortunately, often people sign up, mostly on big bikes with 200+ bhp.I can't keep up on the straights. But on the other hand, in corners they are just standing around.
Too many people, myself included, start riding trackdays with machines that are way over their head. I understand the casual rider that wants to feel his panigale out on the racetrack once a year and that's ok. Ducati revs and co should be there for you.
I pushed the reset button and jumped on the 400 and yes, it's for sure less zoom and ommp but the learning curve is so much higher. Around the LA area, there is not one single track where you'd need a track bike bigger than 600, unless you are a pro rider.
But I get the organizer, it's hard to bump people down, you want them to come back and spend money.

andyb · 2024-12-24T01:48:45-0800

At Mugello the groups are assessed with live timing and you get moved if you are not in the time for that group. This occurs through the sessions and every morning you get a new sticker based on your times allocating you to a group. it worked well.

spooky · 2024-12-24T02:26:47-0800

andyb said:
At Mugello the groups are assessed with live timing and you get moved if you are not in the time for that group. This occurs through the sessions and every morning you get a new sticker based on your times allocating you to a group. it worked well.

The European organisers that I have used all do it like that.

andyb · 2024-12-24T02:52:51-0800

get that picture up in the other post

chris838 · 2024-12-24T05:23:31-0800

spooky said:
The European organisers that I have used all do it like that.

yeah, we don't have that here... this is cowboy country. everyone is A group at least

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