2023 V4R info to keep in mind

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Bruce Wayne said:
That's a tough one, i think from an ownership perspective definitely the V4R because I put it together and made a lot of parts and i think it's the best looking bike on the market, the BMW is probably easier to ride because it weighs nearly 20kg less than the ducati if i could only have one im really not sure what i would choose. I have two of the HP4 i bought a second to use for spares if i ever crashed thankfully i haven't needed it.
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I’m really intrigued by the hp4 race. Has it been reliable?

One of the features I find most intriguing is the audible traction control - what’s that like?
 
craig bush said:
I’m really intrigued by the hp4 race. Has it been reliable?

One of the features I find most intriguing is the audible traction control - what’s that like?
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It works, i turned TC up just to hear it better sounds great. The TC is extremely good, yes it's been very reliable. I got them both at a very good price so it was a no brainer, the sum of the parts alone was worth it. I think when BMW came out and said you need to rebuild/replace the engine at 5,000 klm put a lot of people off but that's the same for most track bikes
 
... good thing there's a pair available for Craig too
Bruce Wayne said:
It works, i turned TC up just to hear it better sounds great. The TC is extremely good, yes it's been very reliable. I got them both at a very good price so it was a no brainer, the sum of the parts alone was worth it. I think when BMW came out and said you need to rebuild/replace the engine at 5,000 klm put a lot of people off but that's the same for most track bikes
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what % off MSRP did you consider a good deal?
 
Bruce Wayne said:
That's a tough one, i think from an ownership perspective definitely the V4R because I put it together and made a lot of parts and i think it's the best looking bike on the market, the BMW is probably easier to ride because it weighs nearly 20kg less than the ducati if i could only have one im really not sure what i would choose. I have two of the HP4 i bought a second to use for spares if i ever crashed thankfully i haven't needed it.
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I have another friend that has two HP4 Race as well, lol. Tell you what is a nice bike is the Alpha RC-STK-M. I have one of those and its aces!

https://racebike.alpharacing.com/product/racebike-stk-m-my23/
 
craig bush said:
I’m really intrigued by the hp4 race. Has it been reliable?

One of the features I find most intriguing is the audible traction control - what’s that like?
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Yes it is reliable for sure. The audible TC is part of the new S and M1000RR as well and was also available on the 2017 Kawasaki ZX-10RR with kit ecu, see video below cued @ 4:18

 
Bruce Wayne said:
I think when BMW came out and said you need to rebuild/replace the engine at 5,000 klm put a lot of people off but that's the same for most track bikes
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YES, this was the BIG issue but that's not exactly what BMW said. Instead they said the motor was guaranteed for something like 3000 miles.
The heads are safety wired and sealed to prove that a customer has not messed with the engine. Anyone who has raced at the top of club level knows engines raced don't last forever.
Both my 1098 and 1199R race bike engines spun big end bearings around 2500 miles so 3000 miles seems generous for a motor that is exclusively used on track.
 
roadracerx said:
Yes it is reliable for sure. The audible TC is part of the new S and M1000RR as well and was also available on the 2017 Kawasaki ZX-10RR with kit ecu, see video below cued @ 4:18

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I wondered why a rider aid that seems like it would be so helpful has not spread to other platforms or even models within the brand, and I’m glad to hear that at least bmw is using it on the s/m1000’s.

Is there a reason it isn’t being more widely adopted?
 
I’m assuming the BMW and Kawa are using ignition cut on their race bikes hence the pops and bangs? Ignition cut seems to be harder on the valves due to unburnt fuel igniting in the exhaust. I’m further assuming ignition cut is more nuanced and better for controlling traction.

I’d even further assume our stock ECU Ducati’s use a timing retard/fuel cut since we don’t hear anything.
 
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roadracerx said:
The HP4 Race is a better bike than the V4R. Problem is the cost of replacement parts with the HP4. I do have a great connection and can get about anything but US dealers can't get much anymore and if they could the price is CRAZY. V4R runs REALLY hot. I basically only ride mine in the cooler months. If the temp is above 95F you dare going to feel like the V4R is going to catch fire. The HP4 Race doesn't have these issues.
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Is yours insured? While it's a track bike it's also a collectible I guess...
 
SuperDomestique said:
So basically if you put it down on the track you either have to light it on fire or throw it off a cliff 😜
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I value my freedom so generally-speaking I can afford to crash and fix it myself but I REALLY don't want to.

As a side note, over the years I've been put in the hospital over 10 days and it has cost me OVER 100k in damages from OTHERs crashing into me being idiots on about 3-4 occasions. My favorite response, "Well that's racing..."
 
roadracerx said:
I value my freedom so generally-speaking I can afford to crash and fix it myself but I REALLY don't want to.

As a side note, over the years I've been put in the hospital over 10 days and it has cost me OVER 100k in damages from OTHERs crashing into me being idiots on about 3-4 occasions. My favorite response, "Well that's racing..."
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You’ve been crashed INTO 3-4 times at trackdays!?!? Note to self: don’t ride anywhere close to @roadracerx. He seems to have a target on his back 😳
 
SuperDomestique said:
You’ve been crashed INTO 3-4 times at trackdays!?!? Note to self: don’t ride anywhere close to @roadracerx. He seems to have a target on his back 😳
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I remember one time at Buttonwillow I was riding my BMW HP4 Race for the FIRST TIME and I was at the line ready to go for my session, no one else had made it there yet....(early bird) Anyway this guy comes rolling up on a R1 blipping his throttle aggressively and they waive him out in front of me. This guy is really swoopy in his lines so I decide to just wait back a bit....the fool yardsales is bike at the Bus Stop on the FIRST lap! I split him and his bike, ugh. I went on with my session, after which, this same rider came up to me and said, "Awe man, I had something for ya! I wanted to see if I could take that HP4!" So yes, sometimes, having a nice bike can put a target on your back.

My crashes have been at track days and racing but to date, never been my fault. I don't ride like that. I want to have a good time and always improve upon myself. Falling into the trap of being the fast guy will only last so long.
 

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