2023 V4R info to keep in mind

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roadracerx said:
@spooky there aren't any negatives per se....my point was simply that track based middleweight bikes with grippy tires don't really need IMU-based strategies. Rear lift mitigation is not possible with non-ABS equipped bikes (pitch control X axis), I could see slide control potentially (Y axis) if the Kramer has it, but I get on the gas pretty quickly on the R6 and RC and it doesn't really slide beyond a few degrees. Wheelie control (X axis) is another thing aided by an IMU and the RC already has wheelie control but doesn't wheelie very much likely due to the wings. The RC has traction control (Y axis) with a tip sensor and modes for dry and or rain so these strategies exist. I'm just not sure there is an actual improvement here with this Kramer version, I think they just want to sell a 40k track-only bike and say its better than the RC. Just my .02
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I'd imagine it has to be different to the KTM - a spitting image without the KTM badge probably wouldn't go down very well with KTM.

The new one is also user-upgradeable, so maybe they have something up their sleeves (or maybe it's never going to be upgraded in any meaningful way but is a nice feature to sell).
 
@spooky I think the upgrades were through the Palmeres device for the ecu, not hard parts. The RC is a simple, effective tool. Put the correct springs on it for your weight, set the sag and the damping per the manual and the tires at the pressures the manual states and ride, that's it. It's a true joy to ride and needs absolutely nothing. The provided mapping is perfect. Like you said, it's probably marketing. Kramer is known for constantly updating the bikes with new parts each year.....dash, brakes, suspension, exhaust...
 
I hear the SP2 is a great bike! As a rider coach I tell folks that the lap time comes from track knowledge, good fundamentals and confidence. Confidence comes from positive reinforcement through seat time. The Ducati Panigale V4 platform is AMAZING but you need to be in shape to ride it well the full 15-30 minutes you get each hour at a track day and that gets SIGNIFICANTLY harder as the air temp and humidity levels rise. It takes significantly less energy to ride the RC 8C or really any middleweight bike SO you get to see that same corner more times and that builds your confidence and track knowledge. It's a self-fulfilling kind of approach.
 
roadracerx said:
I hear the SP2 is a great bike! As a rider coach I tell folks that the lap time comes from track knowledge, good fundamentals and confidence. Confidence comes from positive reinforcement through seat time. The Ducati Panigale V4 platform is AMAZING but you need to be in shape to ride it well the full 15-30 minutes you get each hour at a track day and that gets SIGNIFICANTLY harder as the air temp and humidity levels rise. It takes significantly less energy to ride the RC 8C or really any middleweight bike SO you get to see that same corner more times and that builds your confidence and track knowledge. It's a self-fulfilling kind of approach.
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I’ve only done two track events so far after a very long time away from riding. The bike gives a lot of confidence on the brakes and through corners because it’s capable of so much more than it’s being asked to do, but it does go a bit mental with the throttle wide open. :eek:

I love the SP2 but I suspect the 8C or GP2 would be a better option. I’d still love to try a V4R though. Where’s that lottery win when you need it…🤣
 
roadracerx said:
agreed. I see no relation between oil and coolant levels. There have been coolant issues since 2018. Some bikes have the issue and some don't. My 2020 Streetfighter V4 did and it was replaced under warranty when I first noticed a bit of coolant pooling between the heads and when I would park the bike putting it on the kickstand the pooled coolant would spill out. My bike had maybe 300 miles on it when I noticed it and the dealership fixed it. I had another customer that continued to ride the bike and the coolant got low and this warped his heads on the motor. THANKFULLY he had the extended warranty so that $12,000 job was fixed for free on his 2019 V4R!
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It’s just my hypothesis that oil overfilling might cause excessive crankcase pressure and thus an oil/coolant leak.

No empirical evidence though, just a guess.
 
Alkhater said:
It’s just my hypothesis that oil overfilling might cause excessive crankcase pressure and thus an oil/coolant leak.

No empirical evidence though, just a guess.
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Possibly but it would need to be really overfull. But if you filled it all the way to the waterpump probably. The stock evap system is trying to pull a vacuum. I can't see why people defeat this. It may also be purely heat related particularly when it leaks to the outside. Might have been surface finish related on the pump shaft.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
I have one also, how does it compare to the KTM RC8? In terms of track riding
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Well it is a very different experience. The RC 8C is the kind of bike you take to a tighter track like Vegas - Classic, Streets of Willow, Thunderhill West or even Chuckwalla and you can ride all day or two on a set of tires without getting very tired. It's the kind of bike you can push a little closer to the edge and it is a blast doing it. A simple machine that basically only needs a sag setup and Stomp Grip. The HP4 Race is a serious machine with something like 80 more hp and maybe 20-30 lbs more weight. The chassis is accurate and the forks and brakes are better and you have to hold on. Also I go through two rears a day on that beast, but I would never sell it, far too special. How do you feel about yours? Have you had any issues? Have you changed anything about the chassis or setup?
 
The HP4 Race is a better bike than the V4R. Problem is the cost of replacement parts with the HP4. I do have a great connection and can get about anything but US dealers can't get much anymore and if they could the price is CRAZY. V4R runs REALLY hot. I basically only ride mine in the cooler months. If the temp is above 95F you dare going to feel like the V4R is going to catch fire. The HP4 Race doesn't have these issues.
 
roadracerx said:
Well it is a very different experience. The RC 8C is the kind of bike you take to a tighter track like Vegas - Classic, Streets of Willow, Thunderhill West or even Chuckwalla and you can ride all day or two on a set of tires without getting very tired. It's the kind of bike you can push a little closer to the edge and it is a blast doing it. A simple machine that basically only needs a sag setup and Stomp Grip. The HP4 Race is a serious machine with something like 80 more hp and maybe 20-30 lbs more weight. The chassis is accurate and the forks and brakes are better and you have to hold on. Also I go through two rears a day on that beast, but I would never sell it, far too special. How do you feel about yours? Have you had any issues? Have you changed anything about the chassis or setup?
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That's what I expected, no mine is as it came out the box haven't even changed the gearing. I love my hp4 but im like you and aware of the cost of crashing, that was the main reason I bought the V4R the plan was to ride the R and not care about crashing and just ride the HP4 occasionally when we have private hire, stupid part is the ducati ended up costing me more than the BMW after i threw a heap of corse parts at it 😂
 
Bruce Wayne said:
That's what I expected, no mine is as it came out the box haven't even changed the gearing. I love my hp4 but im like you and aware of the cost of crashing, that was the main reason I bought the V4R the plan was to ride the R and not care about crashing and just ride the HP4 occasionally when we have private hire, stupid part is the ducati ended up costing me more than the BMW after i threw a heap of corse parts at it 😂
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Which do you like better?
 
craig bush said:
Which do you like better?
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That's a tough one, i think from an ownership perspective definitely the V4R because I put it together and made a lot of parts and i think it's the best looking bike on the market, the BMW is probably easier to ride because it weighs nearly 20kg less than the ducati if i could only have one im really not sure what i would choose. I have two of the HP4 i bought a second to use for spares if i ever crashed thankfully i haven't needed it.
 

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